Armageddon

[eroticartist]

As I pointed out in my first posting in opening this topic, the real target is Iran and the objective is the taking out of Iran's nuclear capability.

The fight is between two opposing religions. On one hand The Christian fundamentalists in America represented by Bush, and the Christian fundamentalists in the Uk represented by Blair. They dream of fulfilling the Bible story of Armageddon as prophesised in the book of Revelations.

They believe in the second coming of Christ and the Rapture. In the Rapture when all non believers will go to hell, they the chosen one's will rise up and divested of their earthly attire will ascend into heaven. There are millions of Christian fundamentalists who believe this and teach Creationism in schools. Creationism interprets the Bible literally.

If you want to stop Armageddon then this is the problem: religious fundamentalism. We have to stop being liberal and tolerant of other people's beliefs; when they endager us all. I am a libertarian and believe in live and let live, but when other's beliefs impinge upon my own freedoms then it is time to stop being tolerant. Our survival as we know it depends upon it.

Mike Freeman.

[c.j.jaxxon]

I agree! I had to read it again though to understand it. I believe we can be tolerent of other peoples faiths but yeah, if they get in the way of your life or they try to convert you then I think we should say or do something about it. I don't know what your solution is but I take it that you want to get rid of ALL fundalism whether it be jew, christian, muslim. If that's the case, I'm with you on that one! !thumbsup!

[Sam Slater]

Take away religion and the 'peoples with agendas' will use some other excuse to kill/enslave. People who become obsessed with their religion are the same types of people whom become addicted to illegal drugs/ alcohol/ gambling, etc etc. They cannot regulate their emotions properly and go too far.

It's a psychological problem. People aren't robots, and don't always play games according to the rules. While we have land, some will fight over land. While ever there's power to be gained, some will fight for that power, and while ever there's drugs/alcohol to escape reality, some will abuse those substances.

You've already stated that making some drugs illegal always gives the opposite affect, well banning religion will be even worse. Religion will go undergound and develope into even more fanatical cults. Christianity still hasn't eradicated Peganism completely, even after 2000 years, and millions of deaths. Once Man became supreme on this planet, we've always looked for guidence. It doesn't matter if that guidence comes from God, a political party, a Hollywood actor, a favourate football team, or whatever, we'll look for something to put on a pedestal, and kill in it's name.

It's in our nature to be more powerfull than the next man, or the tribe we belong to be more powerfull than the next tribe. High status has always meant more women in which to mate with. More mates mean more offspring. It's what our genes demand, and they always try to find a way to pursuade our conscious mind to decide things in their favour.

Religion needs to be updated on some things, thats without question, but don't blame the religions for mans differing agendas.

[c.j.jaxxon]

I agree. Only thing is if Hezbolllah and the Israelis are fighting, what the heck are THEY fightin' for? Religion is just one of the "agendas" man has fought for and against since the bible days.

[Sam Slater]

Hey c.j. Just check out children next time they fight. When they're fighting over who wants to ride the bike and you take the bike away, they fight over the football, take the football away and they fight over the hockey stick, get me point?

Hitler & Stalin weren't very religious people, but they killed millions upon millions in their short lives. The world is over populated already. Fighting over precious resources will only intensify in years to come....... 'religion, or no religion'.

[c.j.jaxxon]

True. No arguement there.

[Sam Slater]

Only education will change the way of the world. An intelligent, educated man can read the Bible/Koran, and recognise it's teachings. He can tell that to take such a book literally, -from start to finish- is wrong, and that only certain passages need apply in a modern society. Only an ignorant, uneducated man would take everything written, to be true, and be intolerant of other views.

Aristotle said: "We educate ourselves so we can meke noble use of our leisure." Unfortunately governments only educate their populace enough to become employable, which is one of the biggest mistakes we make.

What is the whole point of education? People forget and think it's just the collection of facts. This is true to a point. A man who collects facts, is more knowledgable than a man who doesn't. But the point of 'real' education, is understanding.

Understanding encourages tolerance, and tolerance within men, reduces conflict.

[quote]'Only the educated are free.'__________EPICTETUS

[c.j.jaxxon]

Yep! Some people CAN take the bible and kor'an literally. Like some christians I've known before and we know about some of the extremist muslims and don't forget some of the jews too. The catholics? Just look at the news.

[eroticartist]

Sam,

Hitler professed to be a Christian who was "fighting the anti-christ in the East."

The Werhmacht also had "Gott Mit Uns" on their army belts.

Mike Freeman.

[eroticartist]

Sam,

Yes an intelligent educated man but not an indoctrinated child!

Mike Freeman.