Young Blacks more likely to commit crime?

[Gentleman]

unfortunetly your merry go round offneder dosent have any fear or concern for prison as they strand at the moment and in fact life on the outside is more of a hassle to him.

In prison you get fed, your mates are there you get tv and gyms.

Please dont think im basing this on daily mail articles ive read but on day to day experience.

The only people that the legal system (as it stands) worries is the law abiding one as he stands to loose from it.

[kinetic]

one eyed jack wrote:

> Kinetic, obviously you dont listen to rap/ hip hop and if you
> do you obviously dont understand it but this form of music is
> essentially telling stories of what is going on rather than the
> glamourisation of it. This is nothing new as gun culture has
> been prevalent in black music way before rap became recognised
> which lends some to your statement.

Not true at all. There are many different sub genres of hip hop - but hip hop is the combined culture of rap, turntablism, graf, clothing and even religion. If you want to go back to the roots of "gangster" rap you can look at the works of KRS-One and BDP whose Criminal Minded stands alongside the likes of Schoolly D as the birth of gangster rap. On closer inspection you'll find that BDP's representation as "gangster" is just a clever metaphor for what KRS-One and Scott La Rock were trying to represent - the mind as a weapon and being a *teacher* instead of a king. "Kings lose crowns, but teachers stay intelligent" if memory serves me correctly - was the motto.

Your idea of rap about telling stories is partially correct, but there is also the information and education genre with the likes of Afrocentric Hip Hop and Chuck D of Public Enemy trying to create the "Black CNN" - that's not story telling - its the use of music to educate and empower.

My point is that gun culture has always been used in Hip Hop but mostly pushed by the white shadow of many artists. Go look into Jerry Heller - the man behind NWA who happens to be Jewish and White (not that the Jewish part accounts for anything in this context) - likewise 50 Cent and the other pop-rap acts today are just record company tools - nothing to do with storytelling or education and therefore not real Hip Hop.

Wanna school me anymore on this subject?

> Arginald made a comment earlier about the ethnic love of living
> in ghettoised areas. Do you really believe that people love
> living in ghettos???
> Thats proabbly th emost ignorant coment I have heard. Some
> people are stuck in this environment because of their own lack
> of education and ambition and dont see any existence outside
> their own miserable world.

Not my comments.

> For all of some peoples intelligence on here its sad to see
> that your mentality is just as bad as those you purport to
> criticise. In short you are both as bad as each other in
> thinking if not actions.

Hey, you know best it seems. You seem to know about me.

> I think part of the solution to th eproblems mentioned is
> reaching out through communcation. How do you get a young angry
> disaffected youth on the straight and narrow? I've seen it at
> work through a social worker friend of mine.

> Bring forth the shit storm

In a teacup it seems.

[Arginald Valleywater]

So Solid Crew, NWA, Public Image, Snoop, Tupac, all role models to young Black men, all racist against white people, anti establishement and obsessed by guns and violence. NWA wrote a song called Fuck the Police, really clever eh? Most Rap records are released on Black owned labels, Suge Knight most renowned producer and label owner is now inside for a list of crimes that would make Capone jealous.

I am not racist, I get on with all creeds and faiths but in Britain British Law is the benchmark. Anyone who goes agsainst the it feels the penalty. Those who want a different lifestyle should emigrate.

Cue Jerusalem, Nimrod and Natioanl Anthem.

[kinetic]

Arginald Valleywater wrote:

> So Solid Crew, NWA, Public Image, Snoop, Tupac, all role models
> to young Black men, all racist against white people, anti
> establishement and obsessed by guns and violence.

Y'know, I'm trying my hardest to stay civil and enjoy reading these boards but please - let's not shout with such conviction about things we're not clued up on eh? So Solid Crew are pop music/grime for a start and I don't claim to know dick about them. NWA were a publicity stunt that I've spoken about in my other post. Public Image are John Lydon's group PiL if we want to start splitting hairs.

Snoop and Tupac are two people I personally have no time for at all so I'm not going to defend them - but you've managed to blurt out a few (mostly incorrect) examples from a whole industry with a history going back several decades - for each of those you mention I could mention thirty groups that are the opposite.
NWA wrote a

> song called Fuck the Police, really clever eh?

Not meant to be clever surely? Just taking a stance about ill treatment of minority youth by the police - mixed with youthful rebellion - no different to God Save The Queen by the Pistols. So clever? Depends on your viewpoint I guess.


> Most Rap records> are released on Black owned labels, Suge Knight most renowned> producer and label owner is now inside for a list of crimes
> that would make Capone jealous.

One label boss - thanks for that blinding example. What about the labels that were screwed by the larger labels and distribution companies? What about the labels that created respected record industry giants? Once again you're throwing minority examples at me trying to look clever and informed.

> I am not racist, I get on with all creeds and faiths but in
> Britain British Law is the benchmark. Anyone who goes agsainst
> the it feels the penalty. Those who want a different lifestyle
> should emigrate.> Cue Jerusalem, Nimrod and Natioanl Anthem.

I don't disagree with you - but what are you going to say to the people who break the law and who were born here and live here? I saw a white yob smash a shop window recently while either drunk or high -where does he emigrate to? As I said on the Smurf version of this thread :

"I lived in Deptford in SE London, lots of African crime, due to the large african population. I then spent some time in the Medway area - lots of white crime - lots of white people. I saw an Arab steal another arab's money on holiday a few years ago. The fact remains the same

Criminals are more likely to commit more crime. "

And I believe criminals should pay for their crimes - whether they are black or white doesn't matter to me but a lot of people seem to think that colour is the most important factor.

[one eyed jack]

Well Kinetic, you seem to be well versed on the history of black music its just a shame a lot of people who spout on about music being the soundtrack to societies social problems werent the same instead of using it as a scape goat.

But this is hardly getting us anywhere is it? Scarface? Computer games? Pornography? Its just cheap to lay the blame on anyone else but the perpetrator. Even if we banned all the above, my reckoning is it would be worse forced underground.

Crime instigated from the various mentioned on results in a very small percentage of crime. I believe, alcohol, drugs, poverty and ignorance are the real enemies here.