moaning muslims???

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Sam Slater wrote:

> I agree with you in that Muslims should make more of an effort
> to pick up British traditions and culture but you cannot force
> them to give up 'all' of their own.

You couldn't find a worse example of integration than the Brits on the Costa del Sol. Most don't speak Spanish, don't mix with locals, send their kids to English-speaking schools etc...

Then if one of them corners you in a bar they'll explain they left Britain cos it's being overrun by foreigners... no irony!

[one eyed jack]

This is seau true...seau seau true. I just wanted to be post 101 for the hell of it. carry on everybody.

[Mojo]

I would go to the States to become an American, not to stay English. Why go all that way just to live with a bunch of Brits? Couldn't I do that more easy by staying here? Nope, although it would be nice to bump into some ex-pats once in a while, I would primarily be going to integrate with American culture. Quite easy I'd say considering we're very Americanised over here anyway.

[Sam Slater]

Thanks SB,

Muslims in Nottingham, Sheffield, Leeds, Dewsbury and Bradford are definitely more alienated now than what they were 10 & 20 years ago, and you're right that this is mainly due to British Muslims being allowed to go to UEA/Pakistan etc, and bring back more traditional partners. This has the affect of doubling the Muslim population pretty quickly and strengthens traditional Islamic values in a more integrated British Islamic society.

I think you're being a little unfair blaming everything on the BNP though. (shock horror!!!) No I'm not a BNP supporter, hold me out!!! Since the wars in Bosnia, and Somalia and the arrival of other immigrants I've found the Muslim community are going through the same arguments white people were in the 60's & 70's. Muslims blame the Bosnians or Somalis if they can't get housing. They blame the new immigrants if there's a shortage of jobs. "There are 'too many fucking immigrants!" they say. They can't get in to see their doctor any more 'because of the fucking Somali's' they cry!

Talk about integration. Talk about equality. Talk about cultural differences, but racism affects all cultures and colours. Equality is condemning the BNP along with all racism. Not all racists are white skinheads with tattoos, docker boots and reside in Oldham.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]I would primarily be going to integrate with American culture. Quite easy I'd say considering we're very Americanised over here anyway.[/quote]

Exactly. Not much cultural difference, and definitely no language barrier is stopping you integrating. However if you tried to integrate yourself into a strict Muslim country, with all the best intentions in the world, you'd probably move into an 'ex-pat' neighbourhood if there was one (and you had the choice).

[Sam Slater]

You mean you were counting you saddo?!!!! !wink!

[Sam Slater]

[quote]You couldn't find a worse example of integration than the Brits on the Costa del Sol. Most don't speak Spanish, don't mix with locals, send their kids to English-speaking schools etc...[/quote]

I agree with you there, but how do you know the Spanish locals don't complain just as much as some people in Britain about immigration? I bet they do.....

Anyway I think the Spanish authorities should force English immigrants to learn Spanish before giving them residency. They won't of course as the ex-pats usually open bars and cafes for the English holiday makers, and that boost the Spanish economy so the Spanish government don't care too much.

[Mojo]

Yeah, but I know that my way of thinking isn't compatible with their cultures. That's the reason why I wouldn't go to live in any of them, just like I wouldn't date or marry some women because our personalities aren't compatible enough to get on together. Whereas, with the Americans we pretty much think and talk alike (except for minor things like chips = chrisps French Fries = chips). I blinkin' well grew up with American culture almost as much as I have with British culture, so fitting in should be pretty flawless. Like I've said in the past to people, moving to another country is like a marriage where you have to figure whether you're compatible or not with that person before you move in together. If your cultures are incompatible, then don't move there!

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[Officer Dibble]

"I think the government needs to act to stop ghettoisation."

Indeed it does. I'd start by an immediate crackdown on the widespread abuse of the immigration system (as outlined by Sam) by Muslims from the subcontinent. I have Muslim friends and they readily admit that these practices are blatant and rife. So much so in fact that they feel that their own community is taking the piss. I would also crack down on those in the public sector who have connived in all this, turned a blind eye to it, or simply been incompetent. The fact is that those in the public sector who are charged with protecting our borders nowadays have no political will to stop these people coming here. If in future it comes to pass that an influx of different people from totally different cultures, who have no particular interest in becoming 'British' (apart from the great British traditions of National health and state benefits) causes tension, or even trouble on our streets (as suggested by Steve R), then it should be they who are held accountable.



"Multiculturalism is a fake construct and doesn't seem to be working"

Ah yes, this is the new political thinking that has recently been gaining ascendancy amongst the Guardian reading classes. Tell me, Jerry. Do 'they' send out an unofficial decree as to the new party line? Is it a case of 'This is what you will believe this week'? Do they issue Orwellian sounding slogans, like "Multiculturalism is a fake construct" for acolytes to espouse and channel their political fervor in the appropriate direction? The only reason I ask is that a few years ago you would have been saying exactly the opposite and denouncing opponents of multiculturalism with a passion and zealotry boarding on hysteria. It's fascinating how a completely different set of ideas can one day be handed down to you and you immediately start preaching that line with almost equal fervor. Don't you ever feel like a puppet on a string?



"better have policies that encourage integration BOTH WAYS"

'Both ways'? Don't you think the indigenous population might have something to say about that? They seem to be quite happy as they are, ta very much - being British, with British customs and traditions. Apart from the entirely laudable custom of 'going for a curry' I don't see much clamor to adopt or tolerate to many other third world customs and practices.




Officer Dibble