Yobs murder another dad.

[Sam Slater]

I don't know the individual case, but anybody mistakenly kills another where there's no intent, has to be deemed accidental. I know these cases are instances where people feel passionately about, and someone who kills whilst doing a robbery 'is' more liable for an innocent's death than pure random accident, but it isn't murder if there was no intent.

Thankfully, most yobs who rob people are not murderers - even the gun-toting robbers.

A murderer is someone who specifically aims to kill. A murderer has no value for human life, whilst a robber is only interested in financial gain. Both are wrong, but clearly different.

Manslaughter is probably the correct verdict for someone killing another during a crime where there was no intent to kill. Now, if the sentence length for manslaughter isn't deemed worthy punishment, then the actual sentence length is wrong, not as to which crime was committed.

On a side note: I'd find it horrid if in 2007 we start dealing out death penalties again. What right has anyone to decide who lives and dies? The feelings of wanting someone's death as punishment, and actually carrying out such a thing are miles apart for me personally. I'm not saying I'm incapable of killing -I think we all are under the right circumstances- but I'm sure that within a rational, reasonable, stable state of mind, I'd be unable to become an executioner either directly as a killer, or indirectly sitting on a jury.

When I've seen documentaries based upon US killers awaiting death, and the locals are sat outside, hollering, cheering, and eating sandwiches, I always wonder who's the more simian and beastly; the one time, deluded murderer, or the -supposed- 'ordinary' folk, clapping and cheering?

[diplodocus]

4) Death sentences are no deterrent

Who mentioned 'deterrents'? What about justice for the victims?


not sure a death sentence can be desribed as justice, at best it's revenge, which IMO is a pretty poor basis to base sentencing on

[jj]

Nice summary.

[mrchapel]

Works in America I believe. Was listening to O&A where they were discussing a law along the lines of if someone commits a crime and it ends in a death then the person responsible is tried for murder.I

[jimslip]

One recent "Dad murderer" got 2.5 years, so presumably the little shit will be back terrorising people in 15 months.

[Trumpton]

mucho_matcho_man wrote:

> Hardly an accident if a group of yobs set on a householder. I'd
> gladly execute them, even though they are only teenagers -
> regardless of whether they say it was an 'accident'. They
> wanted to beat him up and not get caught, but they did. The
> only thing the cretins are sorry about is that they got caught.

Cretins such as these are able to reek havoc and destruction within their local community - but they don't like the situation being reversed. Law abiders are not allowed to defend themselves in the same manner.

[steve56]

25 years should have been.jimslip wrote:

> One recent "Dad murderer" got 2.5 years, so presumably the
> little shit will be back terrorising people in 15 months.
>
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