Lizard wrote:
> Kieth R,
Who?
Love is All You Need --- The Beatles
Re: Love is All You Need --- The Beatles
"If you can have multiple spelling faux pas in 2 and a bit lines, I can have a few LOLs!"
I was using the 'ancient' spelling technique..
I was using the 'ancient' spelling technique..
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Re: Love is All You Need --- The Beatles
warren zevon rip wrote:
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Which kind of proves his point - there are enough indigenous scumbags and n'er-do-wells in the UK already, without importing the rest of the world's societal flotsam and jetsam as well.
WZR you're on record here in this hallowed forum as saying that unfettered, uncontrolled and unlimited immigration can ONLY be a force for godd and that anything short of that is "racist".
Sorry but I contend that such an extreme scenario could only have a catastrophic consequence for the UK (or for that matter any country) in the long term.
Or are you going to argue that all immigrants are model citizens?
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Which kind of proves his point - there are enough indigenous scumbags and n'er-do-wells in the UK already, without importing the rest of the world's societal flotsam and jetsam as well.
WZR you're on record here in this hallowed forum as saying that unfettered, uncontrolled and unlimited immigration can ONLY be a force for godd and that anything short of that is "racist".
Sorry but I contend that such an extreme scenario could only have a catastrophic consequence for the UK (or for that matter any country) in the long term.
Or are you going to argue that all immigrants are model citizens?
Re: Love is All You Need --- The Beatles
WZR wrote:
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To which Flat_Eric replies:
I can say that because you and I have crossed swords on this before (only trouble is, I'm buggered if I know any more which thread it was in).
But I challenged you to clarify whether ANY form of immigration controls whatsoever were "racist" - and you replied in the affirmative, arguing that anyone who wishes to come should be allowed to come.
WZR wrote:
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To which Flat_Eric replies:
WZR, you argue your corner very articulately much of the time, and (sometimes grudgingly) I find myself respecting you for that. But you're also prone to talking a load of bollocks sometimes - and this is one such instance.
I LIVE in Germany - and there are quite a few Poles here as well (not to mention loads of other Eastern Europeans, Africans and others). France, Italy, Spain and indeed many other Western European countries have experienced new waves of immigration over the past decade or so as well. And STILL THEY KEEP COMING.
And by the way the main reason that the German economy is fucked (comparatively speaking) is because of reunification.
You also say that these places are "crap" - well I'd contend (not unreasonably, I think) that even by your definition of "crap", they're still a damn sight better than much of Eastern Europe the Middle East and practically anywhere in Africa you could care to mention.
WZR wrote:
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To which Flat_Eric replies:
Well yes they did. Can't argue with that. However, the major difference being that the population of the UK is now in 2007 far, far bigger than it was 1200 years ago, 1000 years ago, 200 years ago or even 50 years ago.
You can't just keep letting in any old Tom, Dick or Harry willy-nilly. The point comes when it becomes unsustainable.
Or do would you prefer it to get to that point and to see the whole fucking island concreted over simply for the sake of "tolerance" and "multiculturalism"??
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To which Flat_Eric replies:
I can say that because you and I have crossed swords on this before (only trouble is, I'm buggered if I know any more which thread it was in).
But I challenged you to clarify whether ANY form of immigration controls whatsoever were "racist" - and you replied in the affirmative, arguing that anyone who wishes to come should be allowed to come.
WZR wrote:
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To which Flat_Eric replies:
WZR, you argue your corner very articulately much of the time, and (sometimes grudgingly) I find myself respecting you for that. But you're also prone to talking a load of bollocks sometimes - and this is one such instance.
I LIVE in Germany - and there are quite a few Poles here as well (not to mention loads of other Eastern Europeans, Africans and others). France, Italy, Spain and indeed many other Western European countries have experienced new waves of immigration over the past decade or so as well. And STILL THEY KEEP COMING.
And by the way the main reason that the German economy is fucked (comparatively speaking) is because of reunification.
You also say that these places are "crap" - well I'd contend (not unreasonably, I think) that even by your definition of "crap", they're still a damn sight better than much of Eastern Europe the Middle East and practically anywhere in Africa you could care to mention.
WZR wrote:
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To which Flat_Eric replies:
Well yes they did. Can't argue with that. However, the major difference being that the population of the UK is now in 2007 far, far bigger than it was 1200 years ago, 1000 years ago, 200 years ago or even 50 years ago.
You can't just keep letting in any old Tom, Dick or Harry willy-nilly. The point comes when it becomes unsustainable.
Or do would you prefer it to get to that point and to see the whole fucking island concreted over simply for the sake of "tolerance" and "multiculturalism"??
Re: Love is All You Need --- The Beatles
warren zevon rip wrote:
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But true nonetheless.
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Errrrrr ..... or folk who don't meet strict conditions of nationality and / or job qualification perhaps???! It works in Canada, New zealand and Australia. Why not the UK?
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Not by me you're not. Much of Western Europe (not just the UK) is rapidly turning into a sink estate for Eastern Europeans and those of an African and Eastern persuasion (more Africans in Italy & Spain, more Poles in the UK)
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Basically, yes.
Never heard of the Marshall Plan? That underpinned German rebuilding after WWII. Truie, the Germans themselves did a lot of the hard graft, donkey work and shit-shovelling. But the victorious powers (mainly the USA) oversaw it and - crucially - bankrolled it.
When the Wall came down at the end of '89, there was no Marshall Plan and the whole thing happened very quickly. Not quite overnight - but not far off. West Germany was ill-prepared for it, and the way they handled it ensured that it turned into the complete cake-and-arse party that ensued.
Many Western Germans would like nothing more than to see the Wall go back up - only twice as high this time, and with a few extra machine gun towers, minefields and starved-to-the-point-of-craziness Alsatians for good measure!
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They're only experiencing labour shortages because so many Poles have fucked off to the "sunnier climes" of places like Slough and Middlesborough, where as we all know the streets are paved with gold.
Now the Ukranians are moving in to fill the void - with the result that the Ukrainians have become the "Poles' Poles" (if you know what I mean!!)
Ergo ......
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...... ain't never gonna happen because wages in Poland won't get to UK levels as long as there's a constant supply of Ukrainians to fill the demand there and work for shirtbuttons in Warsaw and Krakow.
- Eric
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But true nonetheless.
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Errrrrr ..... or folk who don't meet strict conditions of nationality and / or job qualification perhaps???! It works in Canada, New zealand and Australia. Why not the UK?
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Not by me you're not. Much of Western Europe (not just the UK) is rapidly turning into a sink estate for Eastern Europeans and those of an African and Eastern persuasion (more Africans in Italy & Spain, more Poles in the UK)
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Basically, yes.
Never heard of the Marshall Plan? That underpinned German rebuilding after WWII. Truie, the Germans themselves did a lot of the hard graft, donkey work and shit-shovelling. But the victorious powers (mainly the USA) oversaw it and - crucially - bankrolled it.
When the Wall came down at the end of '89, there was no Marshall Plan and the whole thing happened very quickly. Not quite overnight - but not far off. West Germany was ill-prepared for it, and the way they handled it ensured that it turned into the complete cake-and-arse party that ensued.
Many Western Germans would like nothing more than to see the Wall go back up - only twice as high this time, and with a few extra machine gun towers, minefields and starved-to-the-point-of-craziness Alsatians for good measure!
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They're only experiencing labour shortages because so many Poles have fucked off to the "sunnier climes" of places like Slough and Middlesborough, where as we all know the streets are paved with gold.
Now the Ukranians are moving in to fill the void - with the result that the Ukrainians have become the "Poles' Poles" (if you know what I mean!!)
Ergo ......
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...... ain't never gonna happen because wages in Poland won't get to UK levels as long as there's a constant supply of Ukrainians to fill the demand there and work for shirtbuttons in Warsaw and Krakow.
- Eric