Why is it ...

[Officer Dibble]

...that Boris Johnson's most vociferous and virulent critics are all privileged middleclass university type lads?

Their main grievance seems to be that he's 'posh'. Which is somewhat ironic from my own working class perspective because, to me and my peers, they are similarly posh and privileged (though maybe to a slightly lesser degree). The funny thing is I haven?t come across anyone from the lower social strata?s who has any kind of problem with Boris (or Dave's) alleged poshness - it just seems to be the privileged middleclass university boys.

There also seems to be an unsavory element of spite and vindictiveness about their attitude - a troubling meanness of spirit. Which once again is highly ironic in that they zealously espouse a caring sharing philosophy of niceness, respect, and universal beneficence.

Can anyone shed any light on these seeming, contradictions, ironies and paradoxes?





Officer Dibble

[Mike_CFC]

I've got nothing against Boris tbh.Went well up in my estimation when he nutted that Kraut in that charity football match a couple of years ago.

I'm just happy that Ken has fallen on his sword,and Broon will follow him into the political wilderness in 12/13 months time.

Reasons to be cheerful,i believe !happy!

[Jacques]

Mike_CFC wrote:

> Went well up in my
> estimation when he nutted that Kraut in that charity football
> match a couple of years ago.

Well he would wouldn't he? Violence against the 'enemy'. I bet you were nutting one off whilst singing the Dambusters theme over him.

[randyandy]

Officer Dibble wrote:

> ...that Boris Johnson's most vociferous and virulent critics
> are all privileged middleclass university type lads?
>
> Their main grievance seems to be that he's 'posh'. Which is
> somewhat ironic from my own working class perspective because,
> to me and my peers, they are similarly posh and privileged
> (though maybe to a slightly lesser degree). The funny thing is
> I haven?t come across anyone from the lower social strata?s who
> has any kind of problem with Boris (or Dave's) alleged poshness
> - it just seems to be the privileged middleclass university
> boys.
>
> There also seems to be an unsavory element of spite and
> vindictiveness about their attitude - a troubling meanness of
> spirit. Which once again is highly ironic in that they
> zealously espouse a caring sharing philosophy of niceness,
> respect, and universal beneficence.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on these seeming, contradictions,
> ironies and paradoxes?
>
>

As a thick working class type who rarely went to school never mind went to university I can tell you I have a serious problem with Boris.

I am just grateful he won't directly affect me that much.

The comment that he will get a no strike agreement with the RMT who like many others are I suspect are rubbing their hands with glee at the moment thinking ? signs at Londoners expense was the icing on the cake.

While its all good fun being a tit on telly this guy is a tit all the time ask the folks in Liverpool (coincidently hardly middle class university boys either).

The problem with Green Dave is that he is an PR intensive, lying, two faced wanker. I didn't think it possible but Green Dave is even better at it than Blair.

Under his party 'leadership' crime has increased where I live while services have been reduced. When he visits close to the area (he's not been seen since he got in) in his 'green' helicopter however simple things like this are not mentioned.

Hardly surprising though his media team won't even allow his 'green' helicopter to be photoed and let it be known that he is, as most will now find out, all talk.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]...that Boris Johnson's most vociferous and virulent critics are all privileged middleclass university type lads?[/quote]

It's not the 80's anymore, Dibble. Plenty of working class people go to Uni these days.

[quote]The funny thing is I haven?t come across anyone from the lower social strata?s who has any kind of problem with Boris [/quote]

I have. I mean, as a working class lad, Boris is great when you're watching him on 'Have I got News for You' but, having him as Mayor is a whole different ball game. Most real working class people are too busy earning a living to give a shit about Boris, until now. I guess the London working classes will judge Boris on what he does, not based on any preconceptions.

[quote]Can anyone shed any light on these seeming, contradictions, ironies and paradoxes?[/quote]

Yeah, I love an answer to this too. A supposedly working class fella turning to Tatcherism.

[Officer Dibble]

"It's not the 80's anymore, Dibble. Plenty of working class people go to Uni these days."

Yes, I've met them. Actually they tend to be middleclass people who have found themselves in reduced circumstances and living on council estates. They don't mix with the rest of the estate?s residents because culturally and morally they have little in common with them. Sure, more working class people are going to university nowadays, but inevitably as they mix in middleclass circles they adopt the values and ideals of the people around them - they have to or else they would not be able to function in the public sector, professional or luvvie sphere?s.


?I guess the London working classes will judge Boris on what he does, not based on any preconceptions.?

These are words of wisdom, Sam. You?re an intriguing mix of muddle, waffle and great insight. I reckon you do still have a foot in the no-nonsense proletarian camp. I still have faith in you.


?Yeah, I love an answer to this too. A supposedly working class fella turning to Tatcherism.?

I've explained myself at length on this issue ? it?s you who have chosen not to listen.






Officer Dibble

[colonel]

I know Dibble is the ultimate troll but occasionally he does need replying to:

Officer Dibble wrote:

> "It's not the 80's anymore, Dibble. Plenty of working class
> people go to Uni these days."
>
> Yes, I've met them. Actually they tend to be middleclass people
> who have found themselves in reduced circumstances and living
> on council estates. They don't mix with the rest of the
> estate?s residents because culturally and morally they have
> little in common with them. Sure, more working class people are
> going to university nowadays, but inevitably as they mix in
> middleclass circles they adopt the values and ideals of the
> people around them - they have to or else they would not be
> able to function in the public sector, professional or luvvie
> sphere?s.

So, Dibbs- are you saying that working class kids shouldn't go to university? I did and came back and live in the same part of town. And what are the values and ideals of working class people anyway?
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> ?I guess the London working classes will judge Boris on what he
> does, not based on any preconceptions.?
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> These are words of wisdom, Sam. You?re an intriguing mix of
> muddle, waffle and great insight. I reckon you do still have a
> foot in the no-nonsense proletarian camp. I still have faith in
> you.

Well, the Stop Boris campaign starts today, Dibbs. Bribing the RMT to agree a no-strike deal sounds good- I hope people love the council tax rise needed for that surrender to the Trots.
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> ?Yeah, I love an answer to this too. A supposedly working class
> fella turning to Tatcherism.?
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> I've explained myself at length on this issue ? it?s you who
> have chosen not to listen.

You have contradicted yourself over and over and obfuscated and provided a lack of answers and not an excess.

There is a paucity in your intellectual capacity that is obvious to all.
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[Officer Dibble]

So, Dibbs- are you saying that working class kids shouldn't go to university? I did and came back and live in the same part of town?

No, certainly not. But I suspect you are one of those middleclass folk of modest means who try and align themselves with vestiges of working class life to justify themselves with a little ?street cred?. But real working class folks don?t read The Independent. They don?t have dads who were mangers at chemical facilities. And they don?t give the slightest dam about racism, respect, or their carbon footprint.


?You have contradicted yourself over and over and obfuscated and provided a lack of answers and not an excess.?

If I have contradicted myself please highlight the contradiction so that I might explain myself in a more erudite and scholarly fashion. However, I never obfuscate. I?m clear, coherent, concise and, as people often complain, I?m rarely short of opinions, views, insights or comments on the subjects that interest me.


?There is a paucity in your intellectual capacity that is obvious to all.?

This is typical of the arrogance and contempt shown by the middle classes to the blue-collar folk who dare to have an alternative opinion or question their bourgeois moral imperialism. A classic example some might say. I rest my case.






Officer Dibble

[Sam Slater]

If these middle-class kids are living on council estates, it can only be a good thing, Dibble. It's only healthy to see how the other half live. And maybe you're right....maybe the proles do pick up certain values from Uni kids, but the Uni kids pick up values from the proles too.... Gotta be better than total separation (like the Etonians have employed for centuries).

As for Thatcherism: She did some good things.... I just think the entrepreneurial working-class types were encouraged to open up small business and then employ their fellow proles on atrociously cheap wages that most Chinese peasants would balk at these days.......but hey, it worked for some.

I guess we'll never agree on Thatcher. Maybe a discussion for another time.