Well this sums up the attitude of the police then dosnt it, generalising all protesters as scum, i rest my case.
G20 death a policemans view
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So that's alright then, if you have a stressful job it's ok to kill people.
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This pretty quickly goes from 'I've got a friend in the force' to talk of 'our patch'. You're a copper then. No-one is saying you haven't got a tough job, but if you can't withstand provocation and feel the need to lash out fairly indiscriminately then you have to accept the consequences like everybody else.
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Sam Slater
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What an awfully long post just to excuse assault.
I'm not dismissing any of your points as most of them have to be true, but none of what you say can be used as an excuse.
The police have a difficult job, of that we all agree, but if an officer steps out of line then they should be held accountable for their actions like everyone else. Do you think it's only the police that do a thankless job? One of my cousins is a care worker on minimum wage and regularly comes home with bruises, scratches and bits of hair pulled out. Care workers are regularly sworn at, spat on or have shit thrown in their face. One of my cousin's colleagues, a very pretty 22 year old, had to be treated for burns to the face due to a resident pouring hot stew over her. Like the police, no care workers are praised for all the hard work they do in making someone's latter years as comfortable as possible, and like the police, they are only shown in the media when one of them cracks and does something nasty.
The same could be said for doctors, nurses, teachers.......... A doctor who leaves a scalpel in a patient by accident, who then dies from internal bleeding will be investigated and his/her career in jeopardy. It doesn't matter how many people he/she has given an extra 20 years of life to in the past; it doesn't matter how many 16 year olds go on to successful, happy lives due in large part to hard working teachers laying down the foundations we all build our lives on. We only get shown the bad teachers and doctors......you get my point I'm sure.
Of course we are all human, and we all have our own tolerance levels. And I think (and I think there is) there should be people to help and spot workers who think they're on the verge of cracking.
It sounds like your mate needs to get out of his job if he despises the general public. It's asking for trouble if he thinks he can serve a body of people he hates when it can be such a high pressure environment most of the time.
The officers in question are probably decent people, but we can't let them off the hook when they go bad. It goes against everything they joined up for in the first place.
I'm not dismissing any of your points as most of them have to be true, but none of what you say can be used as an excuse.
The police have a difficult job, of that we all agree, but if an officer steps out of line then they should be held accountable for their actions like everyone else. Do you think it's only the police that do a thankless job? One of my cousins is a care worker on minimum wage and regularly comes home with bruises, scratches and bits of hair pulled out. Care workers are regularly sworn at, spat on or have shit thrown in their face. One of my cousin's colleagues, a very pretty 22 year old, had to be treated for burns to the face due to a resident pouring hot stew over her. Like the police, no care workers are praised for all the hard work they do in making someone's latter years as comfortable as possible, and like the police, they are only shown in the media when one of them cracks and does something nasty.
The same could be said for doctors, nurses, teachers.......... A doctor who leaves a scalpel in a patient by accident, who then dies from internal bleeding will be investigated and his/her career in jeopardy. It doesn't matter how many people he/she has given an extra 20 years of life to in the past; it doesn't matter how many 16 year olds go on to successful, happy lives due in large part to hard working teachers laying down the foundations we all build our lives on. We only get shown the bad teachers and doctors......you get my point I'm sure.
Of course we are all human, and we all have our own tolerance levels. And I think (and I think there is) there should be people to help and spot workers who think they're on the verge of cracking.
It sounds like your mate needs to get out of his job if he despises the general public. It's asking for trouble if he thinks he can serve a body of people he hates when it can be such a high pressure environment most of the time.
The officers in question are probably decent people, but we can't let them off the hook when they go bad. It goes against everything they joined up for in the first place.
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Having been assaulted by a hooligan in blue some years previously I am fully aware of the excuses put forward and the institutionalised efforts to hide evidence and evade the truth.
I find it easier to empathise with the victims of such violence rather than the perpetrators and do not find it acceptable that the wearing of a blue uniform can be used as an excuse to flout and break the law rather than uphold it.
I find it easier to empathise with the victims of such violence rather than the perpetrators and do not find it acceptable that the wearing of a blue uniform can be used as an excuse to flout and break the law rather than uphold it.
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[quote]And sam you're right i daresay my mate needs to leave but as he pointed out he's too old to retrain so can you offer any solution to that.[/quote]
Yes, encourage him to quit and retire early, or find an unskilled, less stressful job. Sounds a bit harsh I know but you wouldn't accept a doctor that's not upto the job working on any of your kids, or loved ones would you? You wouldn't put up with a teacher that admits to hating kids, and too old for retraining to educate your children either. The same must be applied to your mate. It's obviously not the job for him so advise him to jack it in.
Not only will he be not trying his hardest in the job, which lowers the chances of the public he serves being satisfied with his work, but he's also putting his own health at risk if he finds the job as stressful as you're implying.
I just think that if I'm ever the victim of a crime I want to be served by a couple of coppers who like their job. It's not definite but probable that I'll feel more at ease dealing with them, and they might put that extra 5% extra in to catching the criminal that obliged me to call them in the first place.
That's all the sensible advice I can give, julian.
Yes, encourage him to quit and retire early, or find an unskilled, less stressful job. Sounds a bit harsh I know but you wouldn't accept a doctor that's not upto the job working on any of your kids, or loved ones would you? You wouldn't put up with a teacher that admits to hating kids, and too old for retraining to educate your children either. The same must be applied to your mate. It's obviously not the job for him so advise him to jack it in.
Not only will he be not trying his hardest in the job, which lowers the chances of the public he serves being satisfied with his work, but he's also putting his own health at risk if he finds the job as stressful as you're implying.
I just think that if I'm ever the victim of a crime I want to be served by a couple of coppers who like their job. It's not definite but probable that I'll feel more at ease dealing with them, and they might put that extra 5% extra in to catching the criminal that obliged me to call them in the first place.
That's all the sensible advice I can give, julian.
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