Did Marina do any anal in her career? if she did, can anyon etell me in which movie?
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Marina Lotar (Hedman)
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
IAFD does so indicate.
I only vaguely recall "Devil in Mr. Holmes" (1987)
But you must keep in mind that anals in the early part of the 1980's were rather brief, and not well photographed. The actresses wore a lot of clothing, were hairier, and the scenes were not as well-lit as they are today. The way a sex scene was photographed was remarkably different: shot of her face, her private parts, medium shot, the camera work was not as fluid as it is now. Sometimes you were not even sure it was the performer getting analed, as you never saw the whole body in the same shot.
I only vaguely recall "Devil in Mr. Holmes" (1987)
But you must keep in mind that anals in the early part of the 1980's were rather brief, and not well photographed. The actresses wore a lot of clothing, were hairier, and the scenes were not as well-lit as they are today. The way a sex scene was photographed was remarkably different: shot of her face, her private parts, medium shot, the camera work was not as fluid as it is now. Sometimes you were not even sure it was the performer getting analed, as you never saw the whole body in the same shot.
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
In a way egafd has been extremely clever [or cowardly, if you prefer] by skirting
the issue and not attempting, except by inclusion of the occasional review, to
list individual sex acts.
In my personal listings I adopt a rather strict approach and mark such 'ECU' anals
with a huge question-mark...... for the 70s/80s [and even for many sources' later
output] this whittles down the tally quite considerably. There are rare exceptions
from the 'classic' era that I can definitely point to as having done several anals
clearly corroborated by long-shots- such as Jennifer Haussmann and Kelly Deep, but
most of the other reputed analistas of the time I have 'question-marked'.
The mere juxtaposition of shots of a given actress with close-ups of anonymous
anal penetration are not sufficient evidence. As far as I'm concerned the rest is
either hype or wishful thinking.
the issue and not attempting, except by inclusion of the occasional review, to
list individual sex acts.
In my personal listings I adopt a rather strict approach and mark such 'ECU' anals
with a huge question-mark...... for the 70s/80s [and even for many sources' later
output] this whittles down the tally quite considerably. There are rare exceptions
from the 'classic' era that I can definitely point to as having done several anals
clearly corroborated by long-shots- such as Jennifer Haussmann and Kelly Deep, but
most of the other reputed analistas of the time I have 'question-marked'.
The mere juxtaposition of shots of a given actress with close-ups of anonymous
anal penetration are not sufficient evidence. As far as I'm concerned the rest is
either hype or wishful thinking.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
From vague memory of what IAFD used to be be in the early ears, I do not recall much inclusion of alternate names of actresses/actors (how they were billed in the movies they starred in), or actual sex acts performed.
EGAFD was and probably is not that really involved in trying to establish who does what in a partcular scene or movie. That I find very unfortunate.
It took quite some time for EGAFD and IAFD to finally start putting up pics of the performers in their filmographies. I believe the reasoning given was due to fear of being sued for unauthrorized use of copyrighted materials/pics.
Trying to determine who really performed anals in the 1970's and 1980's is a task in itself. I am not 100% sure Seka did them, although IAFd lists a number of them. I do recall renting the compilation tape BACK DOOR (1983,VCR) and still it was not clear it was realy Seka. You saw her face, you saw her ass, but not both very clearly in the same shot. You are usually left wondering: was it her or a double?
Often you have to have a close look (if possible) of her body parts and privatre parts in partocular, how her pussy looks, how she shaves her pussy, any tell tale moles signs/scars, tan lines, if hands or buttocks come ininto playt/view. Sometimes you can conclude that very likely it was authentic, at other times you are left windering, and other times you can clearly see it was a body double.
In the early 1990's there was a certain degree of commotion caused when Samantha Strong supposedly did her first anal in SAM'S FANTASY (1990) with Jerry Butler. She later admitted it was faked (why oh why did she participate in the deception?), but IAFD still lists it as a bona fide anal. But she did later performed an authentic anal in 1994 in EROTIKA (as an atonement?).
EGAFD was and probably is not that really involved in trying to establish who does what in a partcular scene or movie. That I find very unfortunate.
It took quite some time for EGAFD and IAFD to finally start putting up pics of the performers in their filmographies. I believe the reasoning given was due to fear of being sued for unauthrorized use of copyrighted materials/pics.
Trying to determine who really performed anals in the 1970's and 1980's is a task in itself. I am not 100% sure Seka did them, although IAFd lists a number of them. I do recall renting the compilation tape BACK DOOR (1983,VCR) and still it was not clear it was realy Seka. You saw her face, you saw her ass, but not both very clearly in the same shot. You are usually left wondering: was it her or a double?
Often you have to have a close look (if possible) of her body parts and privatre parts in partocular, how her pussy looks, how she shaves her pussy, any tell tale moles signs/scars, tan lines, if hands or buttocks come ininto playt/view. Sometimes you can conclude that very likely it was authentic, at other times you are left windering, and other times you can clearly see it was a body double.
In the early 1990's there was a certain degree of commotion caused when Samantha Strong supposedly did her first anal in SAM'S FANTASY (1990) with Jerry Butler. She later admitted it was faked (why oh why did she participate in the deception?), but IAFD still lists it as a bona fide anal. But she did later performed an authentic anal in 1994 in EROTIKA (as an atonement?).
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
Where there's a 'demand' [real or hyped] thee will always be the temptation to
fakery, which is why I lomg ago decided to short-circuit the issue by placing the
burden of proof on the footage. Very few girls have sufficiently unique genitalia
or pubic tonsures to make cross-comparison wholly foolproof; so that where the
assertion is made, I can simply say 'prove it' and promptly move on to something
more productive : -)
And lets' not forget the Jess/Lahaie anal hoo-hahs that appeared here several
times; all that stuff about the producers' cleverness in faking long-shots and
the actresses' adroitness in avoiding the deed..... while neatly side-stepping
the ethical implications of what was basically an attempt to deceive the paying
public.
Viewed in that light, it's nothing to be specially proud of, is it?
fakery, which is why I lomg ago decided to short-circuit the issue by placing the
burden of proof on the footage. Very few girls have sufficiently unique genitalia
or pubic tonsures to make cross-comparison wholly foolproof; so that where the
assertion is made, I can simply say 'prove it' and promptly move on to something
more productive : -)
And lets' not forget the Jess/Lahaie anal hoo-hahs that appeared here several
times; all that stuff about the producers' cleverness in faking long-shots and
the actresses' adroitness in avoiding the deed..... while neatly side-stepping
the ethical implications of what was basically an attempt to deceive the paying
public.
Viewed in that light, it's nothing to be specially proud of, is it?
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
Fakery in porn was and remains very much alive.
=Movies that are advertised as "anal in every scene". What they don't tell you is that if the scenes involve two-three perfomrers only one takes it up the ass while the other one(s) just stands by and perhaps just holding the other girl's ass cheeks wide open.
=fake cum shots. Can't list how many times I have seen this in porn. Quite frequently this is seen in a scene where the male is obviously encountering wood problems, and you know it ain't going to end well.
=movies where the title (using such words as: ass, booty, bottoms, etc) and box-cover by-lines seem to suggest that it involves ass play and such but NO anal scenes are shown.
=anal themed movies where (if you're lucky) only half of the female performers billed really take it up the ass (Rosebud movies in the early 1990's were much guilty of that as a start off point) (and the people behind Rosebud were Alex de Renzy and Henri Pachard!).
=movies that are re-released under different titles and box cover artwork to hide their true origins (heck in the 1990's Leisure Time used to repackage the same movie, yes even with very same titles, but with different cover, removing one scene and inserting another new scene).
=The one movie that probably takes the prize for outright fakery remains for me: "The Return of the A Team" (1988,Western Visuals).
I will quote from a review linked/posted at IAFD:
1. Fallon + Robert Bullock; Frankie Leigh + Joey Silvera [faked anals]
2. Nina Hartley, Robert Bullock + Joey Silvera [faked dp]
3. Fallon + Frankie Leigh
4. Trinity Loren + Mike Horner [faked anal]
5. Fallon, Frankie Leigh + Mike Horner [faked anals]
Nonetheless IAFD still indicates an authentic anal/DP for Hartley in her filmo for this scene.
When an actress or actor who has a certain popularity and reputation in the porn industry and has to stoop so low as to participate in such fakery it is very sad and cheapens her star status.
=Movies that are advertised as "anal in every scene". What they don't tell you is that if the scenes involve two-three perfomrers only one takes it up the ass while the other one(s) just stands by and perhaps just holding the other girl's ass cheeks wide open.
=fake cum shots. Can't list how many times I have seen this in porn. Quite frequently this is seen in a scene where the male is obviously encountering wood problems, and you know it ain't going to end well.
=movies where the title (using such words as: ass, booty, bottoms, etc) and box-cover by-lines seem to suggest that it involves ass play and such but NO anal scenes are shown.
=anal themed movies where (if you're lucky) only half of the female performers billed really take it up the ass (Rosebud movies in the early 1990's were much guilty of that as a start off point) (and the people behind Rosebud were Alex de Renzy and Henri Pachard!).
=movies that are re-released under different titles and box cover artwork to hide their true origins (heck in the 1990's Leisure Time used to repackage the same movie, yes even with very same titles, but with different cover, removing one scene and inserting another new scene).
=The one movie that probably takes the prize for outright fakery remains for me: "The Return of the A Team" (1988,Western Visuals).
I will quote from a review linked/posted at IAFD:
1. Fallon + Robert Bullock; Frankie Leigh + Joey Silvera [faked anals]
2. Nina Hartley, Robert Bullock + Joey Silvera [faked dp]
3. Fallon + Frankie Leigh
4. Trinity Loren + Mike Horner [faked anal]
5. Fallon, Frankie Leigh + Mike Horner [faked anals]
Nonetheless IAFD still indicates an authentic anal/DP for Hartley in her filmo for this scene.
When an actress or actor who has a certain popularity and reputation in the porn industry and has to stoop so low as to participate in such fakery it is very sad and cheapens her star status.
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
jj wrote:
> In a way egafd has been extremely clever [or cowardly, if you
> prefer] by skirting the issue and not attempting, except by inclusion
> of the occasional review, to list individual sex acts.
Just uninterested. There was never provision in the original database program, just as there is no provision in it for males. Therefore both only get mentioned in the review section. (The actors section was a later addition and is not part of the database program.)
To get back to the original topic, I think it's extremely likely that Marina Hedman did anal, but I'd have to rewatch all her films to find out in which ones she did - not a task I'd enjoy because many of my copies are nth-generation and very poor quality.
On another point, to correct the remark about pictures in another post in this thread, egafd always had provision for pictures and there were pictures of some actresses from the very first. From memory, when we first started testing the site we used a picture of Ajita Wilson captured from Bocca bianca, bocca negra. Of course many actresses didn't have them because we didn't have them, or because we didn't have caps or pictures that we had permission to use. The original site, bgafd, always had pictures (with some of the same restrictions) and the page design on egafd is basically that of bgafd with different colours and font. It was iafd that for a long time didn't have pictures. We always regarded pictures as an absolutely necessary research tool for British and European titles where there were often no credits or fake credits and where performers often changed their name. iafd, with its concentration on American titles, perhaps didn't feel the need because American titles usually had better credits. Hence the unknowns section in both bgafd and egafd, something iafd introduced much later. I would be surprised if most of the unknowns on iafd were not European.
BTW, could I draw the attention of 90s German porn experts to recent unknowns put up from Die Superfotze. I'm sure these are all or mostly already listed, but I couldn't put a name to them. Thanks.
> In a way egafd has been extremely clever [or cowardly, if you
> prefer] by skirting the issue and not attempting, except by inclusion
> of the occasional review, to list individual sex acts.
Just uninterested. There was never provision in the original database program, just as there is no provision in it for males. Therefore both only get mentioned in the review section. (The actors section was a later addition and is not part of the database program.)
To get back to the original topic, I think it's extremely likely that Marina Hedman did anal, but I'd have to rewatch all her films to find out in which ones she did - not a task I'd enjoy because many of my copies are nth-generation and very poor quality.
On another point, to correct the remark about pictures in another post in this thread, egafd always had provision for pictures and there were pictures of some actresses from the very first. From memory, when we first started testing the site we used a picture of Ajita Wilson captured from Bocca bianca, bocca negra. Of course many actresses didn't have them because we didn't have them, or because we didn't have caps or pictures that we had permission to use. The original site, bgafd, always had pictures (with some of the same restrictions) and the page design on egafd is basically that of bgafd with different colours and font. It was iafd that for a long time didn't have pictures. We always regarded pictures as an absolutely necessary research tool for British and European titles where there were often no credits or fake credits and where performers often changed their name. iafd, with its concentration on American titles, perhaps didn't feel the need because American titles usually had better credits. Hence the unknowns section in both bgafd and egafd, something iafd introduced much later. I would be surprised if most of the unknowns on iafd were not European.
BTW, could I draw the attention of 90s German porn experts to recent unknowns put up from Die Superfotze. I'm sure these are all or mostly already listed, but I couldn't put a name to them. Thanks.
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
Unfortunately I did not get to see the Marina Lotar movies as they were not exported in the US at the time. I only got to see "Devil in Mr. Holmes" (1987) very late in her career, and I have a very vague recollection of her scene and I can't really swear she performed an (authentic) anal there. However based on her reputation I would be very surprisede if she faked it there or in other movies where she has been reputed to have done them.
With regards to pictures in EGAFD, it is true EGAFD stated to put up pictures way before IAFD did them (I think IAFD used the justification for not wanting to get in trouble with 2257 regulations, and using copyrighted material. I don't know what made them change their mind later on.Probably with the realization that 2257 rule does not effect third party use of such maerial, and the aspect of "fair use" doctrine and non-commercial profiteering of such material).
As far as pictures of performers at EGAFD, my recollection of what EGAFD was in at the beginning that it had little or no pictures or female performers. EGAFD would post and accept only head shots where EGAFD could clearly establish or get authorization for their use. I think later EGAFD began to use only pics if they were capped from an actual movie ("fair use" doctrine). I recall battling it out with Alec in getting him to use a headshot of Penelope Lamour (from PUSSY TALK) I had scanned from a defunct French porn magazine (Eroscore I believe). IAFD later used that same pic for her filmography. Later on, EGAFd began to use a second photo page (mostly using capped pics from movies) for performers. Initially information passed on to Alec by me and others (through e-mails, before the forum took off) with regards to review and details on a movie were reprinted in the comment section of a movie. Now I noticed for the most part if a review or detailed discussion has been made about a movie in the forum section it is simply linked (but not reproduced) in the comment section of a movie.
But to hear Alec say he/EGAFD is uninterested in establishing a breakdown of scenes oor what sex acts are performed is quite surprising. It may not have been the original idea of the database, but we are forever left wondering whether a certain performer was ever paired with someone else whether she performed facials, anals, DP's or double anals, pissing, etc.
With regards to pictures in EGAFD, it is true EGAFD stated to put up pictures way before IAFD did them (I think IAFD used the justification for not wanting to get in trouble with 2257 regulations, and using copyrighted material. I don't know what made them change their mind later on.Probably with the realization that 2257 rule does not effect third party use of such maerial, and the aspect of "fair use" doctrine and non-commercial profiteering of such material).
As far as pictures of performers at EGAFD, my recollection of what EGAFD was in at the beginning that it had little or no pictures or female performers. EGAFD would post and accept only head shots where EGAFD could clearly establish or get authorization for their use. I think later EGAFD began to use only pics if they were capped from an actual movie ("fair use" doctrine). I recall battling it out with Alec in getting him to use a headshot of Penelope Lamour (from PUSSY TALK) I had scanned from a defunct French porn magazine (Eroscore I believe). IAFD later used that same pic for her filmography. Later on, EGAFd began to use a second photo page (mostly using capped pics from movies) for performers. Initially information passed on to Alec by me and others (through e-mails, before the forum took off) with regards to review and details on a movie were reprinted in the comment section of a movie. Now I noticed for the most part if a review or detailed discussion has been made about a movie in the forum section it is simply linked (but not reproduced) in the comment section of a movie.
But to hear Alec say he/EGAFD is uninterested in establishing a breakdown of scenes oor what sex acts are performed is quite surprising. It may not have been the original idea of the database, but we are forever left wondering whether a certain performer was ever paired with someone else whether she performed facials, anals, DP's or double anals, pissing, etc.
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
Len801 wrote:
> Now I noticed for the most part if a review or detailed discussion has been
> made about a movie in the forum section it is simply linked
I'd guess that's due to time-constraints?
> But to hear Alec say he/EGAFD is uninterested ....
I was glad to hear him say that- for the reason that nowadays so many of our
ignorant fellow-countrymen [including the Welsh in this case purely ad hoc]
feel it acceptable to substitute 'disinterested' : -))
Death is too good for those committing such a solecism.
> .... in establishing a breakdown of scenes or what sex acts are
> performed is quite surprising.
It may be; but I personally don't feel the need. As with the gender of a child,
I prefer to wait and see. 'Deferred gratification' is an underrated virtue : -))
Besides, we have quite enough to do, without adding further complications.....
> Now I noticed for the most part if a review or detailed discussion has been
> made about a movie in the forum section it is simply linked
I'd guess that's due to time-constraints?
> But to hear Alec say he/EGAFD is uninterested ....
I was glad to hear him say that- for the reason that nowadays so many of our
ignorant fellow-countrymen [including the Welsh in this case purely ad hoc]
feel it acceptable to substitute 'disinterested' : -))
Death is too good for those committing such a solecism.
> .... in establishing a breakdown of scenes or what sex acts are
> performed is quite surprising.
It may be; but I personally don't feel the need. As with the gender of a child,
I prefer to wait and see. 'Deferred gratification' is an underrated virtue : -))
Besides, we have quite enough to do, without adding further complications.....
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: Marina Lotar (Hedman)
JJ wroote
> .... in establishing a breakdown of scenes or what sex acts are
> performed is quite surprising.
It may be; but I personally don't feel the need. As with the gender of a child,
I prefer to wait and see. 'Deferred gratification' is an underrated virtue : -))
Besides, we have quite enough to do, without adding further complications.....
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Sorry JJ I am not clear as to the point you are making. You are saying that you don't see a need to indicate who the actress is paired with in a movie/scene, nor do you care to know what sex act she performs?
If that is so, I don't undersdtand the analogy with the sex of a child.
Can you clarify, please?