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Phil has said it all...

I go to the clinic and get my cert - can I STILL hand on heart say I'm "clean"? Even right there and then? NO... cos as is universally accepted - some diseases (in particular HIV) have an inubation period whereby you'll show clean though you may have picked it up a few days before the test...

So even testing EVERY Month, week or even every day is NOT fail safe. I'd agree, the more often you're tested, the better - but in no way does it really, greatly improve "safety"... like Phil says - condoms are a compromise (and I dont argue that it's a compromise too far) - but by the same token, testing is a compromise too. You can put any figure on a certificates validity - 10 days, 30 days, 90 days, whatever; in reality, lets not be under any illusions, for some nasties it is ONLY a snapshot of the PAST - it isn't telling you the FULL STORY, the "here and now".

The real problem with this "can of worms" is the fact that there is no regulatory body controlling this issue - it's just arbritary figures plucked out of thin air... I'm not aware of any problms that have resulted from the 90 day cycle - is someone keeping a lid on something? Why the sudden change?

I think HIV clouds it all, The fact it is a killer where most other STD's are not The media and the scaremongeres jump onto it and blow what is genuine interest and concern into a fact war, like the recent HIV through the eyes thread wich ended up achieving nothing other than Sandi & Faye wareing gogles at the BGAFD party for a laugh.
The recent sudden interest is coming from STD's or NSU's whatever, they are not serious 7days course of tablets and you are fine (normally). You cannot work during this time at all, you cannot shag you partner because they give it back to you and,, you must tell who you were with just before. it normally appears in women within days, and with guys hours. Guys can carry it from girl to girl without catching anything. So they can get from the GF at home take it onto a set and pass it on without knowing anything. The HIV tests make this worse because most producers/cast only HIV test and this show non of the minor STD's.
To solve this (and I presume thats what we want to do) you must test every month, full test STD/HIV/Gon/CHL/ basically everything. Then and this is the clever part, be sensible (am I wasting my time I ask) only work with people who undergo the same system. If during you work you suspect anything IE girls a bit sore, guys a bit raw you all know what I am talking about. Tell all the actors you have worked with in the week pevious, go imediatly to any clinic tell them get the course of tablets take them if you have a steady partner they need to take them as well even if they test as clean!!!!. Don't do anything for a week go back get a swab and if you are fine ring all your group and start work again.
Now if we could address the real problems we face openly like this or amoung ourselves we could solve this problem work feel safe and not be scarmongered by people who have never had a shag.

Phil McC

Hi Guys

Is wearing condoms a compromise because studs can't preform & being this could compromise the money being spent on a shoot, we have always used them & still sell our films the same as producers who don't allow condoms.
Me like libby & lots of other amateurs don't mind using them, the men we use don't mind using them. Wearing them don't lower the stanard of the film in anyway & sure don't make them 'plastic'. With over 30 films that i've made now 'all with condoms' it can't be luck that i've managed to sell them,
this is why i & many other girls make our films now to stopped being rail roaded into unsafe conditions caused by the pride of some producers. I have no problem with what people wish to do as its a free world but i do object with people calling films containing condoms inferior & its these comments that keep us forming a proper adult industry in the UK.

well said kim,better to be safe and sorry.

Let me simply say that I do NOT have a problem with using condoms... None whatsoever. If the truth be told I suppose I'd actually feel "safer" wearing a condom because as I think we all accept, the integrity of the "certificate" is a very subjective thing... i.e. even if a model has a day old certificate it doesn't necessarily mean they're 100% safe.

Can I perform wearing a condom - yes.

Do I prefer to perform WITHOUT wearing a condom - not entirely bothered one way or the other - however, I do think it can be rather "clumsy" and "awkward" - but as you've said elsewhere (Kim) - much of that can be rectified with good editing...

BUT - Like Phil and many others - I do think the end product loses something when condoms are used... I'd sooner see "raw", "as it happens" footage - not something sterile and over edited... Maybe that is a "porn viewer from the dark ages" attitude - but I honestly think that's the way most of the viewers tend to think.

Don't try to twist this and try to say that you are "right" and that "the forces of good" are on your side - if you've found a niche in condom porn - GREAT - I for one would be delighted to work for you complete with condom - not a problem... but please don't try to belittle the producer who prefers to cater to the market that continues to deliver for them...

Perhaps we could have a poll on the site? Those in favour of condom porn, those in favour of natural porn?

How about it?

after reading all this its hardly worth the bother.

Hi Jack

When you said 'twist & belittle producers' was it the comments :

(May you mind up what do you want porn or plastic crap. (rubber as the case may be) I have it, lets use rubber dolls and guys with strap-ons that will make it safe)

As i have to agree with you 100% it's wrong for people to put down or belittle others.

Kim

Porns not about being safe its about porn, I am sure you do not understand that, my comments are made after 20pluss years in porn producing for some of the biggest names in it. When a guy fantasies he does not put a condom on before he shags Jenna Jamieson this is a fact. Therfore anything other than his fantasy is a compromise. My coment about the dolls may sound ridiculas but it is to emphisise how far are people prepaired to go for saftey.
I have used and shot using condoms,,, so I can comment on the subject from both angles, I have lost count of the movies I have made for video/broadcast on a world level so I do listen to my cast's.
Perfect sex, I am sure is great sex no condoms with all parties enyoying it and afterwards not having any nasties, I am correct on that, or is about the argument. Thefore the whole testing/condom/rubber doll is compromise. Which we as producers live with if a girl is good enough producers will agree to anything to shoot her.
How do I be-little anyone or railroad anyone, I think its obvious to everyone its the opposite I give them a choice, ask the girls or is not about asking, I also encourge them to test, and I compromise my shoots where possible, and I sell my films. I call myself a professional because I am one, therfore I live up to professional standards because the volume of sales we have allows us to act like professionals. My current new DVD order is 30,000 of my latest project and I just got the quotes on it this afternoon. I obviously have got this all wrong. I am saying what we are all thinking believe me.
There is room for both methods in my productions......??

Phil McC

Phil McC

I'm not actually in the filming business myself but would like, here to make my opinion (it is that) known. I have always felt uneasy wearing a condom, sex is just not the same - Like having a bath with one's sock on (quoth Peter O' Toole). I do, however, understand fully the sexual health issues involved. But somehow, a film where blokes use condoms just doesn't do it for me. I say this because, it may be the case with other men / women as well. Maybe it's just the excitement of the risk of getting to shag without protection but I don't wish to probe into the psychology of it at all.

As for Kim, I've not seen any of your films (yet) so this isn't meant as a criticism of your material with (judging by the site & previews of the films) I'm sure are very good!

Pussy_eater why would we listen to your opinion after all you are only a punter.....Like me,.

Phil McC