Debate

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Wendy

Re: Debate

Post by Wendy »

Thanks everybody. Anyone else got any views?

Actually, I mean thanks to those with an intelligent viewpoint. This means everyone except The Dude who seems to think I would be a hairdresser or check-out girl if I wasn't doing porn. Not that there's anything wrong with these occupations but The Dude seems to think that porn actresses don't have brains. How dare he!! How dare he assume I only do porn because it's the lesser of two evils. At least I have the guts to put my e-mail address here and not hide behind an alias. If I ever have worked with The Dude now I know his views I wish I hadn't! Face facts Dude without the likes of myself, Rebekah, Layla-Jade et al you wouldn't have been 'in the business' for 10 years. Maybe you should show us more respect!! (Oh and by the way at least I can spell....it's bourgeois not bourgouis)

Wendy (Bourgeois middle class and goes like a train :-) )
Matt

Re: Debate

Post by Matt »

Very poor stuff - a weak point, and very badly made if you don't mind me saying so. 10 years in the industry, huh? I would have thought you'd learn a bit more then that, petal.
woodgnome

Re: Debate

Post by woodgnome »

in porn, as in any other walk of life, you will always get those who attempt to exploit and abuse but there is nothing innately harmful in pornography itself. what IS damaging to us all is censorship. you could make the argument that currently, porn is not a victimless phenomenon because we are all victimised by it's censorhip. the damage is to all of us who wish to be citizens of a properly constituted liberal democracy. we cannot call ourselves such, if we have a state which arbitrarily curtails an individuals right to self expression.

the obscenity laws in england and wales should be repealed. the concept of obscenity has become so diffuse as to be meaningless. not so long ago, nudity was considered beyond the pale but the boundaries of what constitutes an outrage to public decency have gradually eroded, leaving only a few isolated archipelagos - urolagnia (drinking piss), coprophilia, etc. these acts are currently, more often than not, deemed obscene by juries on a case by case basis but is this approach the best way for a grown up society to order it's affairs?

this does not mean that anything should go. child pornography is illegal because child abuse is illegal. the same applies to rape and bestiality. by the same token, if we believe coprophilia (eating shit) to be inherently obscene, we should introduce specific legislation to prohibit it.

as things stand, the police advise the bbfc on what is likely to be found obscene by a jury (they guess, in other words!). it was they who told the bbfc that female ejaculate was really only piss (and therefore potentially obscene), causing it to be edited out of a ben dover film. if things were properly ordered, the british board of film classification would concern itself with simply that - classification! it shouldn't be for them, or anyone else in authority, to prevent material from reaching the public, unless it's clearly in breach of the law. if they cannot issue a certificate on that basis, the offending material should be handed over to the appropriate authorities for prosecution.

in the end it comes down to consent - if it exists, it should not be for the state to prevent adults from enacting their desires. it's resources should be directed towards the protection of the non-consenting from violence and abuse.

reading this back, it doesn't address your point at all but it's 2:30AM and i'm too kernackered to have another shot at it! please post your speech after you've made your appearance and give us the dope on how it went down. best of luck.
Steve

Re: Debate

Post by Steve »

Good speech woodgnome,just wondered about the obscenity laws in scotland are they different. :-) Iagree so much of what you said in para. beginning as things stand,I wish I could bring the text down but I dont know how.How can we change things as to your point,do you have solutions?
The Dude

Re: Debate

Post by The Dude »

Dear Wendy, love you when you?re outraged!

I do seem to have a knack for rattling your cage, don't I? - We should get together sometime, I'm sure we would have much to discuss...

But anyhow, I did not mean to imply that all girls who do porno do it because they are not capable in any other areas of endeavour. - It was getting late and I didn't have time for any 'ifs and buts.' I should have made it clear that I perceived this to be the case in most instances - This is not an opinion, it is an observation. On the other hand I know very successful porno girls who know who they are, what they what, and go about their business as diligently and professionally as any accountant, doctor, or lawyer. Unfortunately, the way the industry has gone over the past 5 years these 'professional' girls seem to be in an increasing minority. Though we have not yet had the pleasure I am quite confident that you fit into this 'Premier League' of porno ladies and I look forward to working with you some time hence.

Oh, and sorry about the spelling (never my forte') The dam spelling checker refuses to recognise those fancy French words.


Matt: No, of course I don't mind you saying that my point was badly made - but anyone can say that. You should have pointed out the weaknesses in my argument and where I?d gone wrong and said "No, I don't agree with that, because, etc, etc,....."


The Dude.
Callipygea

Re: Debate

Post by Callipygea »

You could point out that porn performers are victims in the sense that the media treat them as pariahs, whilst feeding off them to sell newspapers to a prurient and hypocritical public.
You could also point out that a significant proportion of porn consumers are also philosophers (based on the self-selecting sample of those who contribute to this forum). The persecution of porn has made its followers reflect on such matters as the liberty of the citizen and the right of the state to interfere in the individual's affairs. Matt and Woodgnome may not give Betrand Russell any trouble, but they keep the fire of thought burning, in their separate ways. As do you, along with stoking a few other fires.
Kate

Re: Are you a victim?

Post by Kate »

Matt,

Are you really qualified to comment? Before you think about undertaking a thesis you might want to spend some time working on your spelling. All of your posts are self-righteous and smug, and you appear to be labouring under the delusion that your intellect soars above the rest of us. Which is why I find the spelling errors in a number of your offerings so deeply satisfying. What I like about this forum is the lack of posturing and pontificating of most of the submissions. Which is why your posts get so firmly on my tits. Spleen vented.
Chief wiggum

Re: Are you a victim?

Post by Chief wiggum »

Hi Kate,

I'm glad you posted your last comment as I've had trouble with this joker before. He has tried to pull me up on a few points and then totally contradicted himself on others.

I also checked out his web site recently and was pleased to see that he is actually a smug git in real life!!!

check out www.mattparker.co.uk

I hope your web traffic increases due this message Matt, but I also hope you will start treating people with a bit more respect.

the following is an actual quote from his web site

"Maybe you think I'm talking crap - well you would wouldn't you?
You're a victim to the plague of conditioning and are too stupid to realise it."

Matt, you sound like you need to release some tension. have you thought about taking up knitting????
joe king

Re: Are you a victim?

Post by joe king »

'Which is why I find the spelling errors in a number of your offerings so deeply satisfying. '

It takes a large intellect to operate a spell-checker, dunnit? U fqn twat. Is there an IQ test that actually tests if you can use a spell-checker? People who don't use spill-chekers are thick and those that do are very intellegent. If u just critisize his form, u ain't critiking his content - but style is another form of content - n8?
Kate

Re: Are you a victim?

Post by Kate »

Fair enough Joe, but my comment was about Matt's 'tude. Not'intellect'. Everyone makes mistakes and most people don't bother with spell-checkers when posting because they don't expect to be judged. Quite right too. Matt seems to be up himself in a big way, (ouch, painful), and is always keen to point the finger at others. So I took the opportunity to shoot his pretensions down. Does that makes me a 'fqn twat'? Actually, as a twat brings nothing but pleasure, at least mine does, maybe I shouldn't view it as a term of abuse. Enough said.
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