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Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:55 pm
by joe king
'No I don't pay. Documentary photographers/film makers don't pay, otherwise documentries wouldn't get made. Its an observation of life. Sorry.'

Bumfights - the people behind that paid.Why wouldn't they get made? You don't have enough cash? Just how big is your ego (measured in feet and inches)?


Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:28 pm
by Illinoisblue
I'm amazed any would-be producers/directors/photographers post on here given the amount of hostility they encounter.

Why does it always boil down to money? And why is it always people who aren't even performers who get on their high horses about it?

If your local newspaper asked for your opinions on something and also took your photo they wouldn't pay you for it.


Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:54 pm
by joe king
'If your local newspaper asked for your opinions on something and also took your photo they wouldn't pay you for it.'

maybe they should - just because it hasn't happened in the past - the 'public' are so glad to get some attention they would gladly do it for free or are so shy they wouldn't ask for money - doesn't mean people should go on following everybodies agenda. 'Celebrities' would be the first to ask to be paid to be photographed.

What you see as 'hostility' I see as worldweary healthy cynicism. The questioning of assumed 'truths'.


Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:15 pm
by Rude Boy
I agree. This chap's intentions seem a million miles from those dreadful "Trisha" type shows, it seems like an interesting project and his credentials are top drawer. I'd personally love to help but I'm only shooting in Hungary these days.

Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:17 pm
by Lizard
I thought that a strange remark as well Joe, I,m amazed alway,s how people end up posting on this forum, I have asked other so called documentry/film makers, but with little success.
So people dont get paid, why would they do it then? do you get paid for producing/filming etc?
I,m sure a better aproach would be...' I,m making a Documentery, the subject is on people who use their bodies and minds in a sexual way to make a living in the UK. I cant pay you, but you will feature in my work, maybe! which may earn me a great deal of money and cred.


Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:33 pm
by Illinoisblue
Okay, so they're not getting paid, but is that all matters nowadays? Has it really come down to 'how much am I getting or I'm not interested'?

Maybe models/performers would actually like to be featured in this project, give their opinions and share their experiences with people outside of the industry.


Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:43 am
by michael grieve
My request is very simple and is intended for those who understand, but i understand peoples concerns, and debates are great things.
From my point of view whatever the subject is i'm photographing it is never about the 'truth' but for me always about honesty, which is why i always, whenever possible, work with the subjects. When i have photographed difficult subjects such as Aids/HIV in Africa or refugees in Kosova i try and strike up a relationship with the people before i photograph them, this establishes trust and more honest photographs. But the interpretation is always from the photographer/author. Truth is difficult, but honesty is the key.
As for the question of money, this project is self financed. I work as an editorial photographer and the money is not great. If i was a paparazzi, fashion, advertising, corporate photographer i would make alot of dosh, but my passion is for documentary. It is a well known fact that books such as mine do not make money which is why publishers are very reluctant to publish. Publishers who do, compensate with more commercial books, this is not a commercial book. I am not David Bailey! But even if i made alot of money i still would not pay, because it compromises the integrity of the work. As i've said its only for people who understand the value of being represented in this way. If peoples concerns are about money then this is not for them. 50 years from now people will be fasinated by the work you guys do.
As for my ego, yes i have one, like everyone else, but its modest. And cred, well we all want that to certain degrees, we all want to be appreciated.
At the moment there is a documentary book called 'The Valley' by Larry Sultan about the porn industry in the USA. It is a fantastic piece of work and will sell because Larry is a big name photographer, he usually does fashion/advertising. But you should take a look at it if you can, if your interested.


Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:47 am
by michael grieve
thanks for your support.
can i ask, do alot of uk actors/actresses work in hungary?


Re: documentary photographer

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:56 am
by michael grieve
your right to be cynical about assumed truths, but i think there is a distinction between those that seek to exploit and those, few i know, who wnt to do something special, more honest. unfortunatley the media in the UK is hell bent on invasion of privacy, sensationalism, lies. thats why books such as mine are relevant.
but i think the analogy of the local newspaper was a good one. people have a need to communicate and should choose what vessels to communicate through given the chance. being paid to speak your mind is not the way forward, that is the domain of hello magazine, the sun, news of the world etc and we all know what crap they are!