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I wonder how much cash JJ has made. Bet half of it's been syphoned off by agents, production companies, hangers on, you name it.

As I've said here before more than once, I think the money the girls get is paltry. They are, after all, the reason why we buy the videos in the first place.
In the past, indeed until very recently, it was difficult to find out how much they were paid. One assumed they made quite serious money and I am shocked to now know otherwise.
Wendy puts it rather well -"would you hang around all day with a cock stuck up your arse for ?300?" No way.
Chanta in another post says the producers need to sell 1,500 units before showing a profit. What they pay the poor girls certainly has little overall effect on prifit. Where does the rest of the ?30,000 go?
Surely a system of royalties should apply where the girls would earn in direct relation to sales. Difficult, of course, given the amount of piracy etc. - but something really ought to be done.
Charlie

What on earth are you talking about? You obviously have no idea how things work. Where does the rest of the ?30.000 go? What ?30.000 are you talking about. If you're calculating that on the cost of a tape in a shop at ?20 you have no idea. The shops are the ones that make all the money. As a producer you're lucky to make ?2.50 per tape because there is so much product out there it's a buyers market. As to the girls pay, perhaps you could let me know what other job an 18 year old would get that pays ?300 - ?350 [sometimes more] for about 3 or 4 hours having a laugh and getting a [hopefully!] damn good shag? Also under your scheme, would that mean that if a shoot goes wrong and can't be salvaged i.e. if the guy can't perform, cameras break down etc. the girls would waive their fee? I doubt it. At the moment that is all down to me. I did a shoot with Layla and her friend once, and the tapes were faulty. I still paid the girls, the male actor, the studio etc. As if that wasn't enough I lost Layla doing the most wonderful pissing scene ever! Anyway I digress. I then had to pay to do the whole shoot again. Don't forget also that once you've made a movie you're probably going to have to go LA and maybe Europe to try and sell the thing. Contrary to popular myth there isn't the money in this business that you may think. Hey perhaps if some guys didn't help the pirates stay in business things would be different. I notice some of the addresses for these illegal copies turn up here for goodness sake. What sort of hypocrisy is that!!

And another thing; Under this wonderful Marxist porno regime of yours, will models who decide not to turn up for a shoot because they've been down Stringfellows the night before, got pissed and can't be arsed, be compensating me for sitting around a location all day, paying everyone else who did turn up, and wasting everybody's time? Pigs might! On a related topic, being a model is obviously very dangerous to the health of their immediate family. There are at least 4 models who've had 3 Grandmothers who have all died on the morning of a shoot, preventing them from turning up, [the girls, not their Grandmothers obviously, although Pascal wouldn't mind either way!] so be warned.

I have no doubt that JJ does lose a lot of money to agents, etc but I am not talking so much about what she earns for a film as opposed to the money she earns elsewhere for being who she is. When Jenna strips (which she does all over the US) it is heavily publicised by the venue, she can (and does) walk out with $5000 from tips, selling videos of her, posters, cd's and polaroids. I'm just pointing out that some (very few) girls in porn have actually done well for themselves.

J.J is a product she is owned by a company and she appears where they tell her and they advertise to this effect, I have met Jenna on quite a few occasions and in a recent interview with C5 she spoke of Fuck Truck series (which in the States is Called Teens in Limey Land)as one of her favorite gonzos cause the guys are real fun. I also know Jenna Fine, Kylie and most of the other big girls through my show on TVX sex fest. They do not make the money people think. The money is made by the brains who market the products and invest big bucks. They deserve the big returns cause they gamble.
I wanted to work the way the Europeans & The Americans worked this was taught to me by Hans Moser (who made Sarah Young a very rich lady). I searched around for someone who I could invest thousands of pounds on, market her build her up, style her etc.
I could not find anyone in the UK and I tried believe me. I was involved in the creation of Gina Wild I shot her first sets video mag etc, I knew what I needed and there was not one possibility to be found. The reasons were (I think),
Lack of understanding, lazyness, frightened of exposure, drugs no talent, bad attitude, don't look right, boyfriend(husband)problems..but the main one was no imagination by the girls...I gave up after I started marketing a hopefull girl (cards, flyers, web-site) she then f..ked off escorting leaving me with 2000 index cards ready printed for a big event,
Then Marcus Allen found Violet Storm thank you Marcus, she has the ambition and the brains I have very seldom seen in a model, she believes in the the company that backs her and has never asked about money since we gave her a contract. What more could I ask. I know she did not come from a traditional modeling background coming out of fetish scene etc but with her understanding of the plan she has made radical changes to herself. She is trying to achieve the same look as the true Porn Stars (worth a note is Layla is doing the same and I think she now looks top totty).
Violet will go from strength to strength trust me she is already one of the biggest names at Venus show, In Barcelona she was treated like a star. It was nice to see the British/Belgium producers hold her up like she was representing the UK (thats cause she was).
Watching the other producers drool over her and make their offers of big bucks to work for them has made both Violets and my companies hard work all worth while. In case the girls reading this assume you have to be pounded into a mattress 10 hours a day think again, its about marketing, Violet has made 1 boy girl scene in about 8 months and will only need to make two movies a year hard. She will choose who she works with and tests will be conducted on the day before the shoots...
I would now like to thank myself on behalf of the forum for doing what everyone seems to asking about with no gun at my head.
Trust me its all about the girl, and they are not around.
Phil McC

'its about marketing'

Hi Chanta,
Some girls do well and some don't its all depends on how popular they are, I would guess porn actresses in the US do generally make good money, its a few industry were girls gets paid more than guys, if anything its the guys thats struggles more to make a living. Most girls don't get to stay in the business for more than a few years, given the option most will probably want to stay because of good money. Some actresses went on to direct and even produce their own films after they retired, obviousely there are those who are exploited or cheated and exploited but thats besides I would still say a high proportion of actresses do make a good living in the US because of the demand not just for the video, DVD, magazine markets but TV, cable and satellite audiences too.
W

Joe,

Is that a question, or a statement? I must confess it's too cryptic for me. Are you agreeing, or disagreeing?

D.

Phew, what a debate! I can see this one going on for a while.
I would like to thank the women too, for their work and letting us see it. Sounds like I'm making a speech at the awards, or something. Anyway Phil, Ben and Chanta (it's not a role call) I would also like to thank cause of what they had to go through before it became available to the UK market.
I hope that because it is more and more acceptable, for porn stars to work and be recognised in the public eye, that they will rise to the same status (given time, unfortunately) as they have in the States and the other European countries.
I agree that while the women are not paid their worth, you have to give the like and Ben and clan the benefit of experience to what they are talking about.
Maybe we'll see the change and maybe we won't, but until that happens the balance relies on the model producer relationship. If the models get a guru that takes them to the top then all the better.
I just thought I'd add my tuppence.