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Copyright theft is wrong, no doubt. Lets face it if the producers make no money there will be no content...

But I think people are missing the point here. Shutting down Kazaa is like shooting the messenger. There were similar cases when VHS first came out and the content producers tried to ban the technology because it was allowing people to make illegal copies of videos. The high court ruled in favour of the VHS manufacturers because there was a legitimate use for VHS - there still is now. 99% of material on p2p networks is illegal, but killing this technology is silly. The internet of the future will be based on p2p technology, illegal content or not. Im just trying to see the bigger picture.

For reliable d/l of music is recommended - you pay Russian prices and copyright fees for the top 75 UK albums / top 100 US. No laws are infringed and you can have the complete Rolling Stones CD Bigger Bang for $1.81 @192 kbps encoding. I'm happy, the Russians are happy ... and I'm not really bothered what US/UK record companies think because it's 100% legal.

IIRC CD sales are actually *rising*. Off the top of my head I could name you five discs I bought, which I didn't know about until I sampled them through p2p.

Similarly I often pop down my local library to borrow a few books for a fortnight. Some have become great favourites and I've bought my own copy. The forthcoming death of publishing is one of those topics literary people like to write about but never actually happens.

Same with this industry. IMO the availability on p2p generates more sales than it loses.

Copyright theft is wrong, no doubt. Lets face it if the producers make no money there will be no content...

Alright, I'm going to back track here and retract my initial anger at Kazaa because the above comment reminded me of something.

When Reservoir Dogs was banned and pirates came out, Tarantino admitted to the pirate copies as advanced publicity to the success of its initial release. Especially here in the UK. it was the film that launched his career. Pulp Fiction didnt fair too bad from pirates. In some cases, if it wasnt for pirates, some people wouldnt have got to see the film at all.

I cite that as an example and add this. If a product is good and it is pirated, a lot of people would go onto seeing or owning the real thing because they liked it anyway. I guess producers who don't make much money from advanced publicity of pirates will suffer the most.

Its a tough one this. But theft is still theft no matter what you want to call it.

Samsung thats what i was thinking, ALOT of the porn industry in particular use P2P as a marketting tool, Even Madonna made that "what the fuck do u think your doing" thing, and lots of BIG Hollywood Movie people are flooding p2p with ever looping trailiers like 700mb trailers and stuff....

I dont know about other people, but the idea of sitting at my PC wacking off over a badly encoded (yes i know some are well encoded), doesnt really appeal to me.

Theres no doubt that those that run P2Ps & newsgroups for that matter,should pay

Hiding behind the disclaimer which puts all the onus on the user to do the right thing is a joke and they know it

When did self-regulation ever work-NEVER

cheers
B....OZ

Flawed logic my friend

there may be some products that are indeed generating increased sales figures but I'd hazzard a guess and say it isn't across the board

If it were the Multi-Billion Dollar music industry wouldn't be in court fighting against P2Ps,WOULD THEY?

cheers
B....OZ