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This is my opinion also, for what it's worth. The R18 seems adequate, and if a whole office spends their entire working lives to cut perhaps a minute from an otherwise pefectly OK porn film, then I can live with that. The alternative is to be thrown back into greater uncertainty, with the likelihood of more severe restriction at least in the short term.
What they REALLY need to do is make mail-order legal, thereby avoiding all the running around we have to do at present (this would have the beneficial side-effect of reducing pirating). The hypocrisy of being allowed to own, but not purchase, h/c is breathtaking.....

As Joe King pointed out this notion of "likely to cause harm" is both vague and open to massive contradictions. Why not broaden r18 to anything goes providing all participants are consenting adults (no animals or minors as niether can consent) and no harm has ACTUALLY been caused to any participant. This would stop the police from telling them that pissing, fisting, bondage etc is illegal.The bbfc argument that someone may cause harm by copying Roccos antics is stupid because the same should apply to violent action films like Die Hard 6754 etc.
The bbfc should be asked to read this thread so that they can see what peoples views are.
BTW Joe its great to see you using plain english instead of computer-speak.:.)

I agree with the R18's being available by mail order, but a legal disclaimer should be put on the box stating the usual "Contains scenes of hard sex, do not purchase if liable to offend" This should stop those pesky complainers and crusaders against porn from buying it and using the age old argument about such material falling into the wrong hands. Cite this as an argument and where do you draw the line? Minors seem to get their hands on anything they want these days (drugs etc). Also a more detailed description as to what is on the tape like commercial releases- Scenes of explicit penetration, anal, double pentration, Language filthy and frequent etc As I'm sure there are more tame releases that institutions may want to use for adult educational purposes as opposed to getting their rocks off.

Big difference, I'm sure you will agree. Let's not insult peoples intelligence. We know the pee-pee goes into the pum- pum but for those who want to see it in the bum-bum territory should go to R18. There you go sorted. Elect Batty Ridah for Prime Minister!

As far as buying tapes/dvds goes in can't see that it would make a lot of difference to me. Mail order may be illegal but we all get whatever we want from Your Choice etc anyway. What would make a difference if R18 was scrapped would be if I could rent a tape form a local video shop for a couple of quide for the night, similar to how I understand it happens in the U.S. The amount of times I've forked out ?20-?30 and only watched the film once or twice...

This idea of renting out tapes, will never work, this is not what the producers want, they do not want to sell 100 copies of a video to GLOBAL VIDEO lets say, and they rent it out a million times, that is not good business, they only make the same ?20, no they want to sell you a copy of that video for ?20, maybe watch it once and then look for something else. They far from what they would have you believe, are in this to make as much money as possible and not to get their product seen by as many customers as possible.

Just a thought, but isn't the end of R18 simply going to open the floodgates to cheap-jack producers? The current fiscal penalty involved in putting an R18 through the BBFC at least means that we get to see decent material.

End R18 and we run the risk of being swamped by utter crap on tape. Ending the restriction on mail order would be a far better plan.

point taken Jumbo, but as far as I know a rental system exists elsewhere in the world, but I don't know what form it takes. It must work in those places or it wouldn't exist. Perhaps the films would only be available to rent at first as with most Hollywood mainstream films. Also, if all future R18 films were downgraded to 18, would there be any legal restrictions stopping outlets offering films to rent? If anyone knows the answer to this, I'd be really interested to hear.

Joe's -
" How many medical 'experts' do they have? I doubt whether they would be of one mind on this."

The trouble with Medical Experts is
A) They're human, and pretty bloody conservative humans at that, in my experience
B) They know fuck-all about sex. They see it as a medical process and not as recreational activity.
C) Anything they don't have personal experience of they give the Red Light, to protect their own reputations.

The two recurrent topics which freak the BBFC are fisting and female ejaculation. I have experience of both.

Fisting is a voluntary activity, which I can see COULD be perceived as sadistic and therefor obusive. Personally, I've never seen a woman who, once she's achieved it wasn't addicted to it. But I can see the BBFC and Courts being concerned about it under some circumstances.

Female ejaculation is totally different, in that it is INVOLUNTARY. It's something that some women do from their very first orgasm, whilst others resist or conceal it because of embarrassment. It has never harmed anyone. The BBFC is doing women an injustice in banning scenes of FemEjac, and this is all brought about by what the BBFC claim is "Expert advice" as they don't know the difference between pissing and ejaculating.

Has anyone here managed to piss during an orgasm? No, neither have I.

When I say scrapped I mean downgraded to a 18 so it costs the same to certify, I get the impession. The BBFC are aware the whole system may well not stand up in court esspecialy with the human rights act, joining to the restriction of trade. There is various ways of opening a sex shop up selling 18R's with no licence and get away with it as is selling mail-order also illegal but as everyone does it there is obviously ways round that. My understanding was they are concerned about the legal standing. After all they are responsible for the good taste of the nation so it would look bad if they were in court every week loosing court cases. I am planning a new set of covers for all my titles much softer so as to comply with the theory.
Video shops would pay more for rental copies than sell through copies as they are on hi-grade tapes and different rights to sell/rent. A new video release to global for example would be at about three times the cost of a sell through copy.
Phil McC

plus having a thriving rental sector would serve to, er, stimulate the market for porn, as a whole.

not surprised they're wary of going to court again, though. look what happened last time!