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My position:
1) I buy from legal/licensed shops, usually every few months when I'm in London. However, I usually spend quite a bit of time selecting DVDs because there is so much stuff on offer that's just boring/repetitive/not to my taste. Maybe I'm just overly-picky...

2) It pisses me off that all the shops largely offer the same titles, on similar terms. Perhaps this just reinforces the theory that there is a lot of power in the hands of the few in the UK industry. As noted in above posts, surely certain power-brokers don't want to break the status quo (R18, Ofcom regs, softcore channel owners etc etc) if they are doing nicely out of the current set up.

3) I don't pay for on-line content, but then I don't download illegally etc either. I'll happily watch previews etc, though. (I'd be rude not to!).

OEJ, you grabbed my attention when you mentioned whether punters cared whether the product was being "made in an exploitative environment." Porn being what it is, "exploitation" is an issue which could be debated forever. Perhaps my position is answered best by saying that, yes, if there was an equivalent to "fairtrade porn", I would buy that. (Further, condoms in films don't bother me either).

Captain Wow,

You and I have locked horns in the past. i respect your views are from the heart and is taken on board regardless what issues we had in the past.

In short, I agree with what you said but there are many who dont want to be scrutinised for their opinions as many like a quiet life.

A career in porn is anything but a quiet life. to remain quiet and just get on with it is not progress to me. To many things go on that require silence to perpetuate the things that go on.

Im damn sure we could learn a hell of a lot from people as we have done from contributing lawyers, tax people, doctors who have contributed to us thus far. We are actually open to people who want to contribute which is why we have the "green room" forum.

The reason for the producers forum not being laid out for all to see is out of respect to its members who wish to remain anonymous or keep their opinions to themselves as some are very private people unlike me who is quite the "mouth piece" on certain issues.

Ive often invited people to shut me up with their versions but it seems many cant be arsed and thats the point here. Apathy reigns supreme but people are willing to shout and moan the loudest because its far easier to do.

Anytime you think something needs addressing then we can have dialogue. Whether we agree on the same thing or not. Just nice to know there are those with abit of fire in their belly still.

In some (or most) cases AITA and ETO are more influential about these matters and for a long time I have resented them as they represented the interests of the shops but unless producers are represented on their membership it will continue to be all about protecting the retailers and wholesalers. Now ive come to accept you have to be innit to winnit.

Honestly i couldnt care about Ofcom because it seems there are more powerful people in play maintaining that staus quo already and frankly its not in my business model to persue that aspect.

Maybe you should be forming alliances with those who may be instrumental in bringing about that change. I may be able to help you there if I havent already within this post.

Oh and big up to all the people supporting the industry. I understna dits sometimes easier to get the stuff if its available for free so respect to you whether you subscribe to my site or not.

Seems a lot of producers and models are struggling for work on a global scale not just the UK so its always nice to know not everyone is relying on stolen conetn from tube and file sharing sites.

I have had a good fan base of loyal customers & some ring me for a chat from time to time & its these people that make the whole thing worthwhile so some fans do still care. Most of my customers don't give a damn about the industry & like to believe my real life is like my films, they are not interested in behind the scenes goings on as it would spoil their fantasy imagination of the films.
Industry is for the industry & involving Joe public on work matters will only push sales down further, keep the customers our fiends & let them enjoy their fantasies of porn.

Kim x

Thanks Kim. Ive always subscibed to this belief but also believe a lot of people are fascinated with a lot of behind the scenes stuff that seems "normal" to us is not normal to Joe Public

I just like to reference this sort of thing when it comes up in conversation when producers say (not necessarily members of UKAP I hasten to add) "punters dont give a fuck"...

Like I said dont expect them to but its nice to have feed back from source is all.

I was right. generally they dont and goes to show one aspect of why the industry is stagnating (whole other post entirely that one)

In answer to your direct question do fans give a shit I can only speak for myself and say YES I do. My reason for 'giving a shit' is for a far bigger picture than seen, has little to do with 'the peeps' in the industry as such and to be honest am prepared to go into, but a relative short version is that I am in full agreement with Captain Wow on this discussion I am afraid OEJ.

The trouble is what's been said has been said time and again, repeating it changes nothing and worse simply rallies criticism from the industry insiders who obviously know better.


I also think you put yourself down to much and could play a role in turning the industries fortunes around but from my observations, long before debates were hidden on UKAP, it would need a massive amount of investment in time and when recalling the responses you get from other industry insiders in relation to change I don't think its something you would be willing to do.

That's not me having a go at you the truth is with such a successful enterprise I don't bloody blame you.

I hear what you are saying Randy Andy but citing UKAPs passwork protected forum and unwillingness to open its topics to all and sundry is not even progressive in this case.

Ive explained time and again that it was dwecided because producers feared thread hijacking from people with anonymous ids using pseudonyms who have opinions but have no credibility if they are not in the same situation as producers who have their products on the line day in day out.

More to the point you can still get the members attention by using the general forum in much the same way other contributors have done.

If we were so closed off to dialogue we wouldnt have had new members ateending meetings and guests offering information. In fact it has been advantageous doing things this way as we havent been sabotaged by trouble makers.

I agree with you though that turning the industry around doesnt lie solely with UKAP either but the trouble with this business is even getting people to play ball in the first place without looking at how they can turn it to suit their own advantage ( a suspicion that seemed to have been levelled at me for the health situation and all the accusations and doubts that got in the way of it ever happening or at least was instrumental in it)

It really is easier to keep oneself to oneself as a lot of non members seem to without realising that what affects one will untilimately affect everyone.

Even when a mans business has gone to the wall and they bow out of the business they dont see that still

To be honest Im not even convinced that if UKAP opened its forum to everyone that it will do any good considering we had a similar forum open up to allow non members who never went on to contribute anyhting worthwhile anyway...So back to square one it is then

Besides, theres always ETO and AITAand if people really cared they might want to consider making initiatives there. No one complains about them being password protected members

Actually Andy, if you or Captain Wow want to discuss anything with producers consider this an invite to the "green room" forum

This area is for non members who want to discuss things away from the forum and was set up because various people like doctors and lawyers do no tfeel comfortable making open associations with the adult industry? or their business affairs.

Just let me know. Contrary to popular belief we are not a secret society. In fact they got to be the worst kept secret for how much I mention them alone

Im not surprised why everyone thinks I am UKAP !laugh! ...Like Spartacus...I'm UKAP!

No...Im UKAP

one eyed jack wrote:

> The actual question should really read do fans really give a
> shit?

The actual question should be; do producers/webmasters/models really give a shit?

Perhaps you don't realise it Terry but there is an awful lot of rubbish being produced now and in the past. Many producers with a less than professional attitude believe (wrongly) that they can shoot anything in any old sub-standard fashion, put it on a website and hey presto the punters will subscribe. Yes, they might get away with this in the first instance, but the punters who have been ripped off will not return.

Oh yes, there are still the rip-off sites out there. The one's which promise much only to deliver very little.