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Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 3:11 pm
by IdolDroog
so perfectly worded The Last Word. thank you. but dont forget the song Thriller was written by rod temperton (also did Rock with you and others) and so lyrically cant be put down to michael. i think for me the best way to sum up his work is it defined/epitomised every era.....

off the wall - late 70s soul and that kinda stuff i duno about lol

...thriller early 80s horror facination with the whole introduction of dance routines to music videos so u get a mini film/theatre/opera in 5 mins of music, it also kick started a lot of rock/dance crossovers and defined rnb/hip hop/ other genres i dont really kno about but its tru

Bad sounds like the late 80s and dangerous sounds like the early 90s....they are defining works....

in amongst all the media shit around him i think ppl forget how original he is, u get the impression he writes music for the cash but hes taken soo many groundbreaking risks within video, music but also other things - lead singer of arguably the first boyband....first black ppl on the front of certain magazines and lets face it a black group back in the 60s and 70s is q. important......im rambling again so im gonna stop now.

genius indeed destroys its host

Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:09 pm
by Deuce Bigolo
You'll get no argument from me

The 3 sit in my collection but only because someone else bought them for me

Just shows how much I rate Thriller EH?

Still waiting for friends/family to buy me thriller...obviously they like living to much

cheers
B....OZ

Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:44 pm
by Terry May
this is all well said but I think we're overlooking something - he's a kiddy fiddler m'lud!

Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:14 pm
by WillieBo
'off the wall - late 70s soul and that kinda stuff i duno about lol'

In years to come true music lovers will look back at this album as his finest hour musically. And the connection at the time was Quincy Jones/Rod Temperton (ex-Heatwave) who produced and wrote much of the stuff for this and George Benson at the time.

If you think his later more AOR influenced stuff is better, it seems to me the musical equivalent of him trying to become an ugly white person. (Sorry, he's got some rare skin complaint - yeah right). Forgotten both his musical and his personal roots. It's his choice.

As for the person, well...........see other posts in other threads to see what i think. But people don't seem to like me calling him a nonce.

Section 43 and have done with it. He'd soon be screaming then.

To the pub.

Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:51 pm
by IdolDroog
off the walls the only one ive not got or listened to >gulp< butttt i think like i said thriller and bad have some groundbreaking tracks and for me Bad is superbly well written even tho it wasnt thattt successful
every song on those 80s albums combined genres throughout, i don think thats commerical or AOR at all

Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:10 pm
by The Last Word
A fair point, Magoo, but - the big question - would we think differently about that bedsit nonce if we knew their lifestory/circumstances as we do with Jackson? And don't forget the paedo lawyer/doctor/social worker or, most commonly, the paedo father. It happens at all levels, and so the tabloid-stereotyped paedo you refer to typified as an inadequate, dirty-fingernailed, social outcast (someone we can all feel 'superior' to) only detracts from how broad-based this most distressing of crimes is.

I'll grant you that many will give Jackson the benefit of the doubt where they wouldn't otherwise, but perhaps it's because of people sincerely wishing it just wasn't the case in light of his extraordinary achievements, which are there for all to see and enjoy. I certainly wish it was different. Michael Jackson climbed so far up the ladder he lost sight of us - and we of him. Can paedophilia really reach that high? Scary. But if he's found guilty let's hope it ultimately does him some of the good he so desperately needs. And us, of course.

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"Let's do it..."


Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:33 pm
by IdolDroog
aww damn was is that popular, i was 5 in 1988 and i didnt really get into MJ until about 1991 so prob just missed it.....also i thought that it was an album track because it isnt mentioned very often compared to the other singles - i figured Bad, Smoothe Criminal, Leave me Alone, Man in the MIrror, Way u make me feel, were enough singles let alone any more ! and i think I just cant stop loving you was released as a single...use to love another part of me too :D

diirty diana is great example of that whole F G A chord sequence...always sounds so good - everyones used it but its never sounded better in this song, btw does anyone else think that Dirty Diana is really similar to Queen of the Night by whitney houston? ok i kno thats a bit of a gay question but i was singing dirty diana once and i realised that fast hurried verse thing was v.similar even the lyrics are nearly the same at one point :)

#dirty diaaaaaaaaanaaa# oh to have been old enough to have seen Thriller on tv in 82 :( my generations had fuck all like that, although i spose dance music, rap metal and Eminen/marilyn manson have been somewhat "new" and as "shocking"

Re: Michael Jackson - the evidence against

Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:37 pm
by Terry May
as further evidence may I also present his new single,' One more chance'.

I kid you not m'lud!