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Careful, don't want to be labelled as BNP/NF supporter!
They know enough to spot a soft touch when they see one lol.
Sounds terribly like premiere league football as well.

(nearly all of the poulation are foreigners or asylum seekers who dont know anything about england just here on the make)

Right I'm off to the pub.

well keep that very hush hush.

i agree with your sentiments re. claiming back the english flag from a repellent minority.

actually, this process has been underway for some time - ever since euro '96 in fact, when the cross of st. george was virtually omnipresent throughout england. surely this is an improvement over previous eras, when english supporters presumed a misguided hegemony over use of the union jack?

e.g.

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side note: iirc, the jam suffered much vilification by lofty muso hacks in the late seventies, for draping the union jack over their stage set at a time when the national front had a virtual monopoly on its use. weller was no racist, of course but at the time people seemed happier waving the white flag of surrender, rather than fighting to claim back national symbols from extreme right-wing abuse.

Exactly, Euro 96 and subsequent tournaments have been noticable for the huge increase of St George cross flags being flown. About bloody time!

If 'ordinary' people don't fly it, then of course right-wing groups will adopt it as their own.

I do find it incredible that some local councils in England ban the flying of the flag - who exactly is going to be offended by the flag of the country they live in?

Here in Chicago the Stars & Stripes is seen everywhere; in the Polish district, the Ukranian district, the Italian, the Greek, Chinatown etc.

Mentioning the Jam getting into trouble for showing the Union Jack, didn't Morrisey also get criticised for doing the same?

totaly agree mate ,,, there really is some prize nobs on this forum

june 1977 lots of flags and crap then too.best thing was the sex pistols record GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!

Is England actually a country?

I?ve checked The United Nations, The European Union, NATO, The World Bank, The IMF, Amnesty International, The European Parliament and a few others including the World FactBook at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html and none seem to have a country called ?England? on their books.

All have reference to The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as an independent nation but ?England? is not granted that status. So why is the UK allowed to have a number of teams participate in various international sporting competitions when other countries are only allowed one each?

But, I suppose, if the British nation wants to split up its country?s best players into three or four teams instead of concentrating all the best players in a single Great British team then that?s their choice. But I can?t see how Britain ever expects to win anything with such a strategy.

It?s strange though that this plan of attack isn?t employed for the Olympics. If ?England? is a country then why doesn?t it send its own team to the Olympics? Or do all the separate ?British? teams chip in together and charter a special flight thus sharing the cost of travelling, accommodation, etc, like a package holiday kind of thing?

And why is it called the United Kingdom when you?ve had a Queen on the throne for over fifty years?

Just thought I?d ask.

Peace.

englands dreaming.

There was a time when England was used to refer to the entire UK, and that pissed us Celts off no end. Incidentally, any Americans caught still doing so tend to be called Canadians until they get the message.

England is a country with a heritage that deserves to be celebrated. There should be no shame about English people celebrating their saint's day, waving their national flag proudly, and remembering important dates in the history books. Sadly, the PC brigade have made English people wary of celebrating. It's all right for us Scots, or the Welsh, or the Irish---all of whom have skeletons in our cupboards---but England is seen as an oppressor and any celebration of Englishness is seen to stink of imperialism. The crimes of the British empire with regards slavery, taking over other countries and killing rebelious natives should not be forgotten, but nor should it prevent people from taking a pride in their nationality.

The main problem with the English flag, as has been said, is that it was hijacked by the thugs of the right and their supporters, who think people have to have a certain skin tone before they can profess to be English. Sorry, but we're a nation of mongrel peoples, all mixed up together. As Blue Mink sang, "A great big melting pot." Time for the people of England, of whatever ethnic background, to reclaim the flag from the knickle-trailing trash of the right and the "we mustn't offend anyone" brigade.

Being part of a nation and proud of your heritage shouldn't blind you to the faults of that nation, but nor should you be ashamed of what was done long before you were born. I may find aspects of the English nature annoying in the extreme (particularly supporters in the sporting arena---oh no, "Timbledon" will be starting again soon!), but that doesn't mean anyone should pay attention. Be English and proud, but not to the detriment of others.

Oh, and could someone tell Jim Rosenthal to move---Jenson Button wants to take a dump

"There should be no shame about English people celebrating their saint's day,"

Well we never have to any noticeable extent.

"the PC brigade have made English people wary of celebrating."

I disagree - there has never been any particular celebration of being English. Empire day, royal events yes - but not "England day". Its not something being banned by "the PC brigade" - its something thats never happened.

"It's all right for us Scots, or the Welsh, or the Irish"

Well yeah - people who believe that they are oppressed or a minority do seem to have a need to celebrate their nationality - its never been an English trait - apart from those "more English than the English ex-patriates".

"but nor should it prevent people from taking a pride in their nationality."

I have a real problem with this. Firstly why is pride seen as a good thing - it is a deadly sin after all. Why have pride in your nationality - you can, perhaps, have pride in your own or your families achievement. But having pride in being born in a particular place is very odd - its certainly not an achievement. Also feeling a sense of pride because of say, Agincourt, is fairly meaningless.

I've no problem with celebrating the fact that we live in one of the most pleasant countries in the world in many respects, and you'd be a fool not to be interested in our history - although our history is interesting and not glorious.

Maybe its down to a question of semantics but pride in nationality seems to me a very odd way of looking at the world.

"but nor should you be ashamed of what was done long before you were born"

Precisley - there is no need to feel a sense of shame, but equally there is no need to feel a sense of pride. If you are proud of the achievements of Nelson then you have to be ashamed of the acts of Kitchner. But surely its better, and far more reasonable, to feel neither pride nor shame.