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But Lizard, surely Moore making a satirical film about the War is a good thing if it raises awareness of the issues and makes people question their government.

Not when his 'Fellow' Americans are dying, while he swans around safe in the knowledge he wont get called up, many films were made about Vietnam, but mostly after the war was over.....sorry IB, I just dont like the smirking cunt!

Oh come on, he's hardly 'swanning around' is he?

Making some of the most powerful , in terms of audience, documentaries ever made is hardly taking the easy option.

Maybe if films had been made about Vietnam while that war was on the whole sorry mess might not have dragged on for so long.

I'm no Moore cheerleader but I do believe it's him who's produced a book documenting the thoughts and opinions of American soldiers in Iraq.

Filthy rich he may be, but his heart is surely in the right place.

'his hearts in the right place'

personally I think you could apply that to Blair who thought he was getting rid of a danger to the world and freeing a people (remove tongue from cheek)

sorry I don't buy it, Moore is a clever, manipulative opportunist and sold himself as a man of the people to feed off the anti Bush feeling around the world. His films are entertainment but in journalistic terms totally biased and sensationalist

The fact remains that I didn't want the main question I asked to be sidetracked into the "I like/loathe Michael Moore" debate that we've done dozens of times before. It was meant to be about accountability, about how many lives you are prepared to spend in order to achieve your own aims, and how you can live with that afterwards.

But no, fine, just carry on with the cabaret.

I don't think it's a possible question to answer given that us mere mortals will never be faced with such decisions unless we ascend to high level politics.
I'm pretty sure we are not privy to all the information behind such massive decisions, I bet there are many unheard of operations around the world involving the SAS etc where people are sent to areas where they get killed and polititions know this will happen.
This is why i'm glad i'm not in high office cos I couldn't make these choices, but I am glad that there are people who are able to make them for me.
At the end of the day we have to have some level of trust that these people are doing what they think is best for the country as the alternative really doesn't bear thinking about

Unfortunately, it's the alternative that's bothering me. Our political leaders don't want us dwelling too much on the messy side of world affairs, and trust we won't because we'd find ourselves guilty by association. How do we know they're doing the right thing? For all we know, they could have invested all they have in shares of BP and Big Fuck Off Guns Inc of Waco, Texas, and plan to make a huge killing (pun very much intended).

There has to be some reason why each of the monkeys feels the need to climb a greasy pole, and age 15 years in less than five. And I'm not falling for the whole "public service for the good of my country" bullshite either.

Sorry, this has been building up for ages. I don't like the idea of a half-shaved chimp like Dubya smirking away, knowing he's fooling so many of us. And the fact that ordinary folk are the butt of that joke, paying for political greed and ambition with their lives, makes me sick.

but the point i'm making is that we will never know the real reasoning behind their eyes. It could actually really be the ' i want to do some good before i snuff it' or it could just as easily be ' i want to make as much cash and get as much power as possible'
unless we become mind readers or actually sit in on the decision making process we are just using guesswork and conjuncture, and both are pretty pointless at getting to the truth
I'm not gonna let it eat me up inside trying to work it out cos we can't and i've got a life to lead and other things to worry about
(and a bed to go to) cya

Night-night.

You've trotted out the argument about the 2 World Wars before Bimmercat. Are you saying that they broke out because there was a Democratic President in the US or that it was a "bad thing" for the US to get involved?

Mart