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Personally, I think this was bullshit. She goes to a school where everyone, that's EVERYONE, HAS to wear uniform. If she wanted to wear something other than her uniform then she should have gone to a school wear a uniform wasn't required. Whther uniforms are or are not redundant is not the issue, the issue is that the rule is everyone at the school had to wear the uniform but she got the rules changed for her simply because she's from a minority. I worked in a school for 4 years, and this is exactly how it's going, just like davey said. Everything is going for minority groups. If you're a Heterosexual white english male you have less rights than someone who isn't. Lets say Tim, our typical Hetero white english male, says something bad about a:
Woman - he's sexist,
Black man - he's racist,
Frenchman - he's xenophobic/racist,
Gay man - he's homophobic.

In the school where I worked the teachers just couldn't tell off any black children because as soon as they did the child would turn around and say "racist". Then they'd go home and tell their parents of the horrors of racial bigotry they'd had to endure, and the teacher would be the one who ended up in trouble.
Everything that's being done is to the advantage of people the government deems to be from minority groups (that's everyone that isn't white or isn't english to you and me). It all started going wrong when Blair granted assylum to the people that hijacked a plane from Afghanistan and landed it in Britain, putting up the passengers in a very expensive London Hotel (The Hilton I believe), before granting them asylum as well, all at the expense of the british taxpayer. The problem isn't so much that we have people wanting to come here, it's the fact that we let so dam many in, then we change our ways to suit them.

Its very true that governments have started the ball rolling but it goes much deeper than asylum seekers & minority groups.

We live in the age where all the power now resides with those who are under 18 and THEY KNOW IT

In Australia i as say a 13 year Old could report my parents for abusing me verbally and the Nanny State would then give me my own House/Flat-UNSUPERVISED for free and a weekly cheque for the essentials...pure madness

What do you do as a 13 year old with money to burn and no parents...Part Hard...then i come to school and a teacher has the audacity to try and tell me what to do

Its little wonder that Males of any color are avoiding Teaching as a career option...and the nanny state can't understand why...wankers!!!!

Don't get me started on Minors who committ petty crime and can't be touched because their too young to be prosecuted

cheers
B....OZ

OK I admit that my earlier response was OTT.
My understanding is that she used to wear a version of the school uniform that was basically "Muslim" as do a large number of girls at her school. Then she got it into her head that she couldn't be a "proper" Muslim unless she wore a more extreme version. If other teenagers insisted on wearing clothing that was an outward manifestation of their beliefs that conflicted with school rules guess what would happen.

There has been a case here recently where 2 Afghan women refused to appear in court to give evidence unless they could wear the complete all enveloping outfit. Since they were refugees from the Taliban regime which insisted on that kind of extremism, it seemed a bit ironic that they should wish to continue the way of life they had apparently escaped from.

Mart

mart wrote:

> OK I admit that my earlier response was OTT.
> My understanding is that she used to wear a version of the
> school uniform that was basically "Muslim" as do a large number
> of girls at her school. Then she got it into her head that she
> couldn't be a "proper" Muslim unless she wore a more extreme
> version. If other teenagers insisted on wearing clothing that
> was an outward manifestation of their beliefs that conflicted
> with school rules guess what would happen.

True but the underlying point has to be that rules need to be flexible
If their is a valid reason(religious beliefs) then common sense should prevail

We are not all same and to expect everyone to act like obedient ribots is absurd IMHO
>
> There has been a case here recently where 2 Afghan women
> refused to appear in court to give evidence unless they could
> wear the complete all enveloping outfit. Since they were
> refugees from the Taliban regime which insisted on that kind of
> extremism, it seemed a bit ironic that they should wish to
> continue the way of life they had apparently escaped from.
>

Thats the point though Mart,it is their way of life.Not everybody who lived under the taliban rule disagreed with wearing the likes of the berkah(spelling)

For mine when anyone gives evidence you need to see the full FACE to know wether they are telling the truth or lieing.The face doesn't lie

Plenty of Muslim women walk the streets with their face fully exposed but nothing else so its just a tactic IMHO probably being utilised by the legal eagles so they won't be able to testify

cheers
B....OZ

mart wrote:

> OK I admit that my earlier response was OTT.
> My understanding is that she used to wear a version of the
> school uniform that was basically "Muslim" as do a large number
> of girls at her school. Then she got it into her head that she
> couldn't be a "proper" Muslim unless she wore a more extreme
> version.

i wouldn't necessarily lay all of the responsibility for this situation upon shabina begum. as this article indicates, there may have been larger wheels turning in the background...

importantly, this piece also highlights what anyone who has regular contact with muslims will know - that they are fed up with their religion being hijacked by groups who aim to stir up and reinforce the sort of negative sentiments expressed by slamdaddy.

Their religion is a victim of the same thing that besets other parts of society --- negative publicity. Most Christian people only encounter the word Muslim in their slavering newspaper headlines, where it's usually followed by the word extrtemist. Newspapers and the broadcast media seldom if ever report positive news stories: it's always "out of control teens," not local youngsters volunteering to help their community; and Islamic terrorists, with no mention of charity work undertaken by members of mosques.

Good news stories seldom sell newspapers; rabid, fear-inducing headlines always do.

Whatever Ms Begum's agenda in raising this case, the fact remains that hundreds of other Muslim pupils at her school are content with the rules regarding school uniform. I'm reminded of a cartoon in Private Eye of a lawyer telling a parent that they were infringing their son's right to freely express his religious beliefs---while the sprogg was standing there dressed as a C of E bishop.

There's more to life than what the Daily Mail would have us believe.

mart wrote:


> My understanding is that she used to wear a version of the
> school uniform that was basically "Muslim" as do a large number
> of girls at her school. > Mart

And, more importantly, a uniform which was settled upon after cosultation with the muslim elders and religous leaders in the community.

It seemed the win settled upon the fact that, although the school had consulted with the society as a whole, they had not consulted her individually.

How the hell a school, or any business, is to consult with each individual involved and reach a uniform (pardon the pun) decision is way beyond me now this precedent is set.

It sets a dangerous precedent

One can only imagine where it will end

It wasn't that long ago that some hardcore Star Wars fans were trying to get their Jedi faith registered as a religion....70,000 said so in Australia during the last Census

So are we going to start seeing Star Wars Uniforms allowed on religious grounds?

As i said above...its a dangerous precedent

cheers
B....OZ

Re-read my post and then answer this:
Who was I having a go at, muslims or the the ioidotic politicions who make stupids statements and laws and the judges with no common sense who overturn perfectly good rulings in favour of ridiculous ones?