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"Also I think O'Leary is a cunt, but that's more a gut response and it's a bit more difficult to turn that into a logical argument!"

Of couse .......
thats all it is with me as well CB, but Mysteryman seems to have a hard on for Ryanair, anyway I,m not rising to the bait anymore, MM,s missing the point, at a time when any unknown nutter can board a flight and reap havoc or even death, best to play it safe- instead of thinking about profit, sure all the other airlines are moaning but they are not gloating that they had a 'spike' in business everytime they appeared on television. he would be well advised not to attemt to sue anyway, as I understand his chances of success are slim, but if he did win compensation, he should give the money back to the BAA to help with extra security, that way he,s had his publicity..... and helped the cause to improve security which would be to his advantage.

Lizard,

With every post you reveal more of your ignorance.

"Mysteryman seems to have a hard on for Ryanair"

Read and try and understand what I've said about Ryanair. All I've done is quote FACTS.

"MM,s missing the point, at a time when any unknown nutter can board a flight and reap havoc or even death, best to play it safe"

That's the biggest load of uninformed twaddle I've read on any subject in a very long time. You have absolutely NO idea of all about what goes into airline and airport security. Your ignorance shines like a lighthouse from every word. Whilst the system isn't perfect, there is no such thing as an "unknown" nutter boarding an aircraft. In the very rare event of a hi-jacker or bomber boarding at a British airport in the last 25 years, he has got through due to a human lapse in the system - not due to the system, as a system, not being good enough.

"he would be well advised not to attemt to sue anyway, as I understand his chances of success are slim,"

Don't you think he knows that, and can afford to lose? What he is trying to do is expose the fact that the people who pay for security (the airlines and the passengers) have had everything they have been told is right and working about security overturned in an instant, with chaos resulting, and arbitrary limits imposed without explanation.

This has a real cost for the passengers and airlines and, in a democracy, there is a right to know why. He is taking the view that if it takes a court case to get to the truth, that's what he'll do.

"he should give the money back to the BAA to help with extra security, that way he,s had his publicity..... and helped the cause to improve security which would be to his advantage."

Utter garbage. Every passenger pays a security levy and the airports charge the airlines. There is NO need for extra funds to beef up security. If there were a need, the current "circumstances" would have been the ideal time for the government to increase charges - they haven't and it tells its own story.

Interestingly, Ryanair fly into 5 BAA owned airports and 10 non BAA airports in the UK. The only problems after day 1 were at his major base, Stansted (BAA owned). He should sue them jointly and severally with the government as larger, non BAA airports (Manchester and Birmingham) had one day of major disruption only whilst Stansted struggled for the best part of 5 days.

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"Casual abuse is O'Leary's stock in trade". He has described the European commission as "morons", the airport operator BAA as "overcharging rapists". Britain's air traffic control service is "poxy", British Airways are "expensive bastards" and travel agents are "fuckers" who should be "taken out and shot"

And this is the person you give your money to!becuase it,s cheap right?

Your welcome to it.

Obviously if faced with the choice between ?32 and ?1205 I would choose Ryanair also, because I'm not that rich! But it would be with a heavy heart.

But mostly that hasn't been the case, and I've been able to find some other carrier to get from where I am to where I want to go. (by and large I tend to fly low cost (e.g. easyjet) but also fly mainstream (ba or scotair or whatever) if not too expensive and suits what i want to do.

And I really struggle to cope with their attitude to passengers in general e.g. their historic approach to passengers who are unfortunate enough
to be disabled/injured.

Their approach to disabled passengers has been ill thought out and badly applied in the past.

What has to be said is that many airports struggle with wheelchair cases and pax with other physical difficulties and the airlines often get the sharp end of the wrath as, after all, that is the entity that has taken their money whilst it is often the airport with whom the fault lies because they don't have enough wheelchairs or charge the airlines through the nose for the service.

From years of experience, going back to working with an FBO in the early 60s, I can honestly say that some people with disabilities don't help themselves. They just turn up for a flight and expect whatever assistance they need at the drop of a hat.

On the other hand there are those who get often VIP like treatment because they had the forethought to advise either the carrier or the airport, or both, of their needs.

A little phone call can go a long way.

No, I fly Ryanair because they offer excellent value for money.

BTW, you may be interested to know that BALPA, the pilots' union is now wanting restrictions eased.

Short haul pilots often move from aircraft to aircraft 3 or 4 times a day. Pilots carry personal handbaggage (as do cabin crew) which includes items like toothpaste, razors, deoderant (females also carry perfume).

Personal hygiene is important when you are flying between 4 and 8 sectors a day on a cramped flightdeck or in front of nearly 200 people in the cabin..

More importantly hundreds of pilots carry contact lens fluid.

All these items are banned from being carried on board. They have to be in bags in the hold - and these are items belonging to people who are 100% known and screened, who work their day on board and who have every interest in the well being of the aircraft.

Short haul turnarounds are frantic and the crews grab a few moments to freshen up when their bags are in the overheads. Now their bags have to be in the hold where access is slow, causing further delays and costing O'Leary and other airline bosses real money. Have you any idea of the cost of missing a slot time? I doubt it.

The industry professionals are totally bemused and, privately, most airline CEOs are hoping that O'Leary's attitude will both help ease the more ridiculous parts of the regulations and provide some reasons for their implementation.

MM - to be fair, I agree with your core point that the current restrictions will do a lot to inconvenience both passengers and airline staff and will probably do little to reduce the threat of a determined terrorist.

But I do not agree with O'Leary's approach. In line with the way he usually acts he has waded in in a heavy handed manner and my belief is that "the powers that be" within the industry are more likely to just think "It's that O'Leary bloke mouthing off again" rather than "here's an important industry voice and he's got a point".

If airline CEOs hope his approach works it feels to me that their hoping he will do their "dirty work" but in reality they should be making the case in a more considered manner. I hope they are but presumably in a less publicity hungry manner.

Strikes me that if he is such a great "Self Publicist" he has just made a massive cunting boob with the majority of the British Public by declaring his need to be reimbursed for this major security alert. I for one would rather fly Bin Laden Air Lines than Ryanair again if that is his attitude ... BUT what's the old story of there being no such thing as BAD publicity maybe it is all a sad and twisted way to get Ryanair splashed all over the British Tabloids??

Then you either haven't read or understood my posts.

Basically it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. Privately, most airlines admire what Ryanair have achieved and wish they could do the same but would never follow O'Leary's bullishness, which can be OTT.

The fact that O'Leary can, and often does, make an arse of himself and yet the airline continues to grow, has caused a lot of head scratching but the basisc fact is that his product is nothing more than an aerial bus service, at bus ticket prices, and that, on short haul (up to 2.5 hours) is what the vast majority of the public wants - especially if they can travel in brand new aircraft inder IAA rules and CAA overview - they being the most stringent regulatory bodies in the world.

Other CEO's probably 100% agree with him, many won't openly support his gung ho attitude but all will be wishing he gets a result.

BTW, further to my earlier post, when crew retrieve their bags from the hold to "freshen up" they are allowed to take them on board at airports outside the UK but, if working internally, or on arrival from abroad in the UK, must "freshen up" in the terminal and have the bags checked again into the hold, causing delays. Total Alice through the Looking Glass mentality.