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Proof?

Well Bob, new immigrants aren't allowed to work when first coming here so the ones that don't get put into centres get council housing, and if you don't work, you get housing benefit right? This equels 'free housing'.

They DO get free mobile phones -with free, or discounted international calls- along with bus passes & taxi's for the kids to get to school etc. How can I prove this on the net?. I don't know.

For your information though, I NEVER drink in the week down at local pubs talking crap with locals. I'm NOT claiming to 'send em home' like some other close-minded idiots. What I AM saying is that they get quite a few benefits in life, that the natives of Britain don't, which seems unfair, and just fuels the fires of 'real' BNP supporters, and boosts their numbers due to people who're angered with this unfair situation.

The only 'proof' I can possibly give -unless you want to visit my home town, where I can show you personally- is that immigrants don't reach the English Channel, and then turn around. They jump onto moving trains -risking their lives- to get to the UK, and if they fall off and break a leg............well they wait a few weeks and try again, knowing they may die. Some risk themselves & their families lives of suffocation in cargo containers to get here also......Now Bob, why would anyone risk their wives & childrens lives so easily, to get to the UK? According to some on here, France is perfect, as well as Holland, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, etc etc etc......... They're all free, civilized nations with exellent health & educational sytems. Again, why the UK? Could it be I'm on the right lines in revealing a few truths? That they're treated better in the UK than it's own citizens?

Also Bob, why bring up the BNP? Aren't I allowed to express my concerns, as a tax payer & citizen, without being associated with these bigoted morons? Can I not question my countries policies on immigration, without being deemed racist? You could have questioned my post without mentioning the BNP Bob. That tells me you're just as bigoted, & intolerent as the BNP supporter in your own way. You're using fear to keep people quiet. 'Fear' of being called racist. 'Fear' of being associated with moronic, narrow minded individuals, just because you questioned something. Didn't Hitler use fear to keep his people quiet Bob?

Questioning my facts wasn't a problem, and you know it's hard to prove anything 100%, but insinuating that I'm an uneducated, bigoted, close minded racist, who's associated with the BNP, says more about you than it does me Bob.

You know what? I'm not even going to deny being racist, or a BNP supporter. I'll let others be the judge of my character.

Scottish are not racist we hate everyone the same so if u is black, yellow or English means the same, You aint Scottish.

Phil McC

I don't have any guilt-edged proof to hand right now, but I was discussing this very same issue with my neighbour - who's a farmer down the lane. His wife runs a budget furniture store in one of our less salubrious shopping centres. They have a contract with the council to supply furniture to DHSS sorts who have been granted handouts for this specific purpose. He often stops to chat while walking his dog (Shep) usually about wholly unwelcome Chav, Pikey or Ned activity on his land. Anyhow, the other day he was on about the furniture shop and how, even though they derive part of their income from it, he wasn?t at all happy about how the council were allocating funds to an ever increasing stream of third world migrants (particularly those of a North East African disposition) and ?asylum seekers?. He says it?s a freakin? disgrace that some fuckers can come from a straw hut in the desert, present themselves on our national doorstep, only to be welcomed in by hand wringing public sector sorts, found FREE accommodation (these people have come from the desert with out a pot to piss in) and then have him and his missus furnish the premises with leather sofas, TV?s, fridge and all the rest of it! He says it?s all the more galling when our pensioners (some of whom fought on the beaches of Normandy) can?t get jack off 'the Social' ?because their need is not as great? as the economic migrants from the Third World.? Only hersay I know. But I?m not making it up and I have no reason to suspect my neighbour is making it up either.

But let?s look at it logically and rationally. I think everyone agrees that there is an ever-increasing wave of general migration by people in The Third World to First World countries, like ours. They think that western countries are one big Eldorado ? where everyone drives a Merc and if you're skint the government gives you free money, healthcare, and schooling. Also, the indigenous populations of these wondrous lands are strangely inhibited about shooting other folks dead, raping them or hacking off their limbs. It?s therefore totally understandable that those Third World ?have not?s? should want to get to these prosperous lands of milk and honey. If anyone disagrees or doubts this here?s a trusted source.



The thing is that these economic migrants haven?t got a pot to piss in. They have no money, nothing. So when they get here if they are not to be left to roam the streets stealing and causing bollocks they must be given accommodation, food, access the hospitals that we have paid for (big style in recent times) and all the rest of it. So to suggest that these migrant sorts are not given some kind of handout when they get here seems absurd. Even if they get locked up in some detention centre it is still the British taxpayer who is obliged (by the Labour government) to fund them.

But these people have no business being here. These are already overcrowded islands, space and resources are at a premium, and we don?t have any responsibility for these people or owe them anything. Whatever they are fleeing from they should have simply moved to the nearest safe (ish) country where the culture and standard of living more closely resembles the land which they have left behind.



Officer Dibble

an uncle of mine looked up family tree in the 70s apparentlty irish way back in the 1700s,but in 02 i did a internet search and it seems my surname was scots.

Sam Slater said "They DO get free mobile phones -with free, or discounted international calls- along with bus passes & taxi's for the kids to get to school etc. How can I prove this on the net?. I don't know."
There have been plenty of these stories that turn out to be either completely untrue or wilful exaggerations.
There's an old saying "If you can't put up then shut up."

Mart

[quote]There's an old saying "If you can't put up then shut up."[/quote]

Ahh....... The Kiwi who -I'm sure- lives 11,680 miles away from the Asylum seekers we're talking about here. You're in a great position to comment mart, well done. Your comments are never helpful either way though are they? They just seem to be sarcastic comments that don't add anything to the debate.

Are you ever going to add something useful to a debate mart? Go on........turn over a new leaf, and start now, on this thread.

So what does our Kiwi friend think asylum seekers are entitled/not entitled to upon entering Britain? What of Britains policies on the matter? Are we doing enough? Too much?

How about your opinion, instead of constantly pulling everyone elses opinions down?

Mart wrote "Anyone remember the case of Stanley Adams who blew the whistle on the illegal trade practices of one of the Swiss drug companies. His reward, being prosecuted by the Swiss government."

Yes mart I do and I remember a cracking film' A Song for Europe 'with David Suchet (Poirot) staring as the guy who blew the whistle, if I remember rightly, the Swiss government were cunts to him. Fantastic film though..

Smartass.
I'm not a kiwi. I lived in the UK until 3 years ago and still follow whats happening.
Thats right....follow the pack line....attack is the best form of defence. If you don't like criticism label it as negative.
You are asking me about UK policy on support for immigrants/refugees. So if it exists shouldn't you be able to quote from some official documents rather than circulate the same old stories with no proof?

Mart