Should we be helping poverty in Afrcia?

[Sam Slater]

Are you for real?

Jesus.....

[Officer Dibble]

Yes, we should help out. But only under our terms. Africa and Africans have had ample opportunities, loans, and aid, to prove themselves. But, unlike say the Germans or Japanese, they have proved themselves to be totally incompetent, corrupt, and I regret, barbaric (Rwanda anyone?). I therefore propose that all of sub-Saharan Africa be put back under colonial administration forthwith. It?s quite clear that these people are not yet up to running 21st century nations.

Now, unlike in the past, the new colonial administrators would merely be caretakers. Yes, they would deduct fees for their services from the respective nation?s GDP, which would be set at a proper (but fair) commercial rate. But any remaining surplus would be put in trust for the nation, to benefit the nation and it?s people in future. Control of the trust and any funds would only revert back to elected, indigenous, representatives of the nation when it was deemed that the people of the nation were mature and competent enough to use it wisely (which might be a long time) until then it would be controlled by a committee of suitably qualified westerners, similar to any other trust fund.

If this plan were implemented I reckon that within a decade Africa would be back on it?s feet, growing crops and exploiting it's natural resources in a competent and efficient fashion (like they used to do in Rhodesia before the indigenous people bolloxed it up). Africans would then get properly organised and directed education and healthcare, which would be paid for out of their own (western managed) pockets. Once they were paying their own way they would then begin to gain self respect and the western administrators could start to teach them how to behave, how to be rational, how to be honourable and trustworthy, and how to run a 21st century nation.



Officer Dibble

[Officer Dibble]

Let him have his say. He may have gone slightly overboard in the passion of the moment. But what he is saying is what many people have been thinking. The points he has put forward need to be aired, examined, and discussed in a rational fashion. The problems of Africa will never be addressed if we are too polite to acknowledge them. Don?t ignore the elephant in the room, Sam ? for the sake of Africa and the world in general.


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[Bob Singleton]

It's truly frightening to read the thoughts of Arginald Valleywater, BeestonBoy and SpankyMonkey on this subject.

Maybe someone should oppress you and your families for the next 300 years and see how your descendants turn out? They couldn't be any more ignorant than you are now and certainly no less ignorant than the people you decry!

[mrmcfister]

I despair at the mess that is Africa..long after I have gone the place will still be the same shitty mess.I am sad for the little man..take a look at Zimbabwe to see how bad it can be..

[steve56]

I agree the contraception thing the women have kids like rabbits .Arginald Valleywater wrote:

> Self Righteous Mr Geldof is again telling us to feed Africa.
> Why bother? The whole continent, bar maybe 4 countries is rife
> with corruption, mindless slaughter of innocent people in
> genocidal tribal disputes and AIDS as they won't use
> contraception. A mate has just come back from a holiday in
> South Afrcia and was amazed, when talking to his black caddie
> about life in that country that the men won't use contraception
> as it is another way of white men controlling blacks. When he
> mentioned AIDS and STDs the guy said they were also white mans
> inventions to control........he was genuinely shocked at the
> ignorance and lack of social responsibility.
>
> Since the fall of the Empire this continent has slipped further
> into the mire, soon as the British pulled out the old tribal
> feuds started again.
>
> Personally we should sort out Britain first and leave Afrcia to
> its own devices.

[BeestonBoy]

Sorry for not being a bleeding hearted soft twat on this subject!! But im of the very firm opinion that Africa is just a bottomless pit as far as aid goes. The more people seem to do for them the more they either A) sit around and let them or B) Steal,lie and fight over what ever they have.

Yes Bob im sorry I am very ignorant and no one is more aware of this than me. But the bottom line is im 29 years old,far as long as I can remember people have been telling me to give money to Africa. and all this time I have watched this country fall to peices through lack of funding every where,whilst at the same time have seen no improvment in any of the African nations.

I just dont see the "Live aid" Style concerts going on any where for the National health,state schooling for decent public transport for fucks sake. The best they get is a free George Micheal concert (Poor bastards)

Im just tired of watching gun totting war lords (totting the guns that one way or another you and others like you have paid for) whilst being told to send them more money. Yeah "Right on,man" No not any more.

[steve56]

Few years back say 1981 82? im sure the money was going towards M16 rifles for a war.BeestonBoy wrote:

> Sorry for not being a bleeding hearted soft twat on this
> subject!! But im of the very firm opinion that Africa is just a
> bottomless pit as far as aid goes. The more people seem to do
> for them the more they either A) sit around and let them or B)
> Steal,lie and fight over what ever they have.
>
> Yes Bob im sorry I am very ignorant and no one is more aware of
> this than me. But the bottom line is im 29 years old,far as
> long as I can remember people have been telling me to give
> money to Africa. and all this time I have watched this country
> fall to peices through lack of funding every where,whilst at
> the same time have seen no improvment in any of the African
> nations.
>
> I just dont see the "Live aid" Style concerts going on any
> where for the National health,state schooling for decent public
> transport for fucks sake. The best they get is a free George
> Micheal concert (Poor bastards)
>
> Im just tired of watching gun totting war lords (totting the
> guns that one way or another you and others like you have paid
> for) whilst being told to send them more money. Yeah "Right
> on,man" No not any more.

[wayne]

The simple answer is no.. we have been throwing money down this drain for years and nothing has changed and even if by some miracle it became respectable industrial what would happen? it wolud become another area for companies in the UK to outsource to.

Bono and co want poverty to challenge, poor to have homes and make a better world howabout the UK? Bllody hell by working on the they will be helping of sodding africa anyway as they seem to be all over here anyway.