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Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:31 am
by stripeysydney
Have you ever been to Hull, Dibble? I'm from Yorkshire and I've got to say that it's a right shite-hole and I reckon those dickheads who are on this march will be out of there sharpish especially when they go past the Brandholme estate.
Should money be given? no, when the North of England was under Danelaw, the Danes would be paid in cash (Danegeld) and sometimes in slaves which the Anglo-Saxons also traded in. Every society has done it and some still do.(Islam, especially parts of North West Africa).
I would like to the Islamic nations say sorry for slavery, which they seem to have a selective memory about, let's not forget what the Island Zanzibar was for. The Royal Navy went about destroying some of the Arab slave traders routes at the turn of the century.
Above all, let's not forget who sold the slaves to the Europeans, Ta DA...
The Africans!!!
Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:55 pm
by Porn crackers
Something to be taken into account is that Gordon mr africa Brown has written off a lot of African debt. As Africa was where the majority of slaves were from then I'm calling it quits.
PC
Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:55 am
by thecocker
I've no doubt these people who are suing are enjoying all the benefits of being British though. Africans and Caribbeans on one hand (even though they've never been there) and British on the other.
Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:38 am
by muswell
As I understand it in Law if you can establish that you have some injury then damages can be awarded to reasonably compensate for that injury.
So if there are people who can establish that they are worse off because they live in the country that their ancestors were relocated to than they would be if they were in the land of their fathers, and additionally that they have not already benefitted from living in a more developed society then perhaps they do have a claim.
However given that few people can trace their ancestry back through 200 plus years to establish pure heritage there might also be an issue about how much of a slave heritage any one person might have. So do you get half for a parent quarter for a grandparent and so on?
Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:41 am
by Flat_Eric
thecocker wrote:
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Yep. Like "British Muslims".
"British" when it suits them - and "Muslim" when it suits them (as in bringing their relatives over to live in the UK, forcing their daughters into arranged marriages etc.).
The slavery compensation thing is all bollocks as well. More hand-wringing politically correct nonsense.
Society's collective amnesia and "fashionable guilt" over the slavery issue pisses me off - completely overlooking as it does the fact that ALL societies across the world did it at some period in their history (other posters have touched on this above).
Also, much of the Islamic world was also built on slavery and indeed slavery is still going on today in places like Mauritania, Chad, Mali and other African states - perpetrated by Africans against Africans on behalf of other Africans.
Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:43 am
by Flat_Eric
Porn crackers wrote:
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Sounds reasonable enough to me.
Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:14 am
by middle_aged_dutchman
A friend of mine once had a heated discussion with a guy from the Dutch Antilles who blamed my friend's ancestors for having kept his ancestors as slaves.
My friend answered: 'My ancestors were smallholders in the eastern part of the Netherlands. They did not keep slaves and had nothing to do with the Antilles. But I notice your complexion is not as dark as it could have been. I think you have more slavekeepers in your ancestry than I have.'
Re: O/T 200 years on....Should money be given?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:16 am
by thecocker
And me.
That doesn't include all the other money and otherthings that is raised for them and doesn't seem to go anywhere or do anything.