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Well written Giles, balanced and perceptive. Respect.

[quote]there is worng and right in every religion and its just the muslims are the bad eveil enemy of the west - yeps to a certain extent i can see that there is vile abusive notions in my culture but isnt there in every?[/quote]

Of course, there is evil, immorality and wrong-doings in all cultures, but 'the west' are at liberty to criticise themselves -and do on more occasions than criticise others- which is something we'd lose if we let Islam gain a foothold in Europe (hasn't it already in dictating what we can and cannot draw, or threatening out literary writers with death if their novels aren't agreeable to their ears?).

[quote]Slavery not too long ago we had the British empire with indian servants? Slavery in Missisipi...want it only recently black and white people have allowed to eat together?[/quote]

And? The west abolished slavery hundreds of years -in some cases- before the Arab states. The reason we know so much about Euro-American slavery is through literature and media that has the freedom to right about it. I wonder how many libraries and tv programmes throughout the Muslim world educate their people on slavery they forced onto East Africans, or eachother, and how free would they be to write and publish such material, regardless of media chosen?

The Britain abolished slavery was because it's public regarded it as cruel and barbaric.....and they were free to express that opinion.

[quote]doesnt the church have vile abusive preachers who practice paedophillia at its very core of cathololism and christianity?[/quote]

Of course, and we now arrest and imprison people caught too. Quite a difference from police in the Muslim world who will turn a blind eye to honour killings, and gang rape of young girls who maybe chose a partner who wasn't to their parents liking (or more like financial advantage). As for Christianity: I have no love for that either and we should guard against the growing evangelical right within America who have a political agenda.

[quote]I dont agree with suicide bombers and the killing and the fanatasim it creates but are the west to blame as well?[/quote]

Absolutely not. In fact I find it rather patronising when people express this view. It's akin to describing Muslims as inferior beings that will attack when provoked. Rather like a dog you keep poking a stick at until it bites you on the arse, and then your friends say it's your fault as the dog knew no better.
I may see Islam as an enemy to freedom, but I do regard Muslim people as equals, and because they're equal then they should shoulder the responsibility of their actions. Anything less would be degrading them as human beings.

[quote]How long did the west take to stop the genocide in Yugoslavia .croatia serbia...how many UN referendums diod it take ...nearly 5 years till they stopped the genocide of muslims.[/quote]

But we did stop the genocide didn't we? It may have been going on for 4-5 years, but we took 15-20 years to oust Saddam. Why are you complaining that it took too long when coming to the aid of Muslims from Christians, but feel we don't belong in places where there's oppression, prejudice, fascism, racism, torture and genocide, Muslim against Muslim? There's either liberty, or not; there's either genocide, or not. It shouldn't matter who's doing what to whom.

[quote]ometimes you may want to examine who really created the 'golem' and what reasons the eveil you created s no out of control.[/quote]

I thank you. 'the evil we created' - and there lies the problem. Until Muslims stop pointing the finger at the Jews, or the Hindu's & Sikhs, or the Buddhists in Thailand, or the Christians in Indonesia & Somalia, or European immorality, or American foreign policy, we will always have this problem.

I reiterate; how many Muslim students are willing to fight for women's rights, or freedom of speech in Saudi Arabia? Go to your Mosque and ask this question. Ask why it's easier to condemn some Danish cartoons, that never killed anyone, but you won't condemn torture, honour killings and oppression of women in the Muslim world. Ask why it's easier to try and blow up western women in a London nightclub for a 'cause', but you can't even get a group of Muslims in Britain to go protest outside the Saudi or Pakistani embassy in London for women's rights.

Embrace apostasy and enter the modern world.

What's balanced? He never said a dickybird against Iraq or Iran, but spent his time criticising western motives and policy.

He has some points I agree with, but balanced it is not.

No worries, I got the gist of your points.

I just wish I could ascertain photo-takers points also. They baffle me.

Giles wrote:

> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070923/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
>
> This makes depressing reading, yet another lot of petty reasons
> for invading a sovereign country. If Iraq wasn't a place in
> flames most nights and the US had consolidated their illegal
> occupation they would have invaded Iran in 2007. What do you
> think?

You're wrong. The US would have invaded Iran in 2003/4 if Iraq hadn't fucked up so badly. Other than that, you're right - they've been itching to blow the place up since their man The Shah was deposed in 1979.

funkichadi wrote:

> there is worng and right in every religion and its just the
> muslims are the bad eveil enemy of the west - yeps to a certain
> extent i can see that there is vile abusive notions in my
> culture but isnt there in every?

Of course, but "Sam" enjoys banging the anti-Muslim drum. You won't change his mind with logic.

[quote]Of course, but "Sam" enjoys banging the anti-Muslim drum.[/quote]

Not as much as you enjoy banging the anti-western drum..........unless those westerners have a credit card and a liking for downloading porn of course !wink!

I wonder if your website is accessible in Saudi Arabia & Iran, and if so, what penalties any of your Muslim downloaders would incur, if caught?

Would you feel bad if they were publicly hanged? Do you have Muslim girls in hardcore action that you make a profit from Jerry? How about one of those girls having a few cousins round to give her a good 'beating to the death' because she dishonoured her family? Would that move you emotionally?

You must be so glad you live in a society and country where you can make money from such projects eh Jerry?

!laugh!

Sam Slater wrote:

> I wonder if your website is accessible in Saudi Arabia & Iran,
> and if so, what penalties any of your Muslim downloaders would
> incur, if caught?

Pretty fucking bad. Almost as bad as (secular) China and probably worse than (Hindu) India.

> Do you have Muslim girls in hardcore action

Course I do - you think Muslim girls are any different from anyone else?