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I understand the TV companies won't show 'A Clockwork Orange' as it could influence copycat attacks.

The film was banned initally,for reasons above,but i know The Film Four channel have shown it as well as Sky Movies (Drama).

Maybe the Government should implement the 'correction process' that was featured in the film.Might make the little runts think twice before commiting these sick acts.andy ide wrote:

> I haven't been so deeply disturbed by a piece of news for a
> very long time and I think the references to A Clockwork Orange
> are entirely apt. I know this probably sounds daft but I would
> like to see some public figure or figures lobby the BBC,
> publicly, to have it shown at 9 o'clock on a Sunday night on
> BBC1 and for there to be an hour's debating programme preceding
> it. Slam-dunk it right into the middle of all that cosiness. It
> should be actively used for discussion and education.

Mike_CFC wrote:


>
> The film was banned initally,for reasons above,but i know The
> Film Four channel have shown it as well as Sky Movies (Drama).
>

Never actually banned, Kubrick withdrew it after some supposed copycat violence took place. It became available again after his death.

That is sick!!
This country is sick!!
That is why all these PC and liberal cunts who run this country can go and fuck themselves. These murdering scumbags have NO rights now - they lost that when they decided to jump on two peoples heads because they looked different. This goverment needs to stand up and start making examples of people like these little cowardly barstards or they and scum like them will overrun this place before too long. Firstly I would castrate the five of them as they have lost the right to bring any future child into this world ... and that would be just for starters - fucking raging here dear!!

The issue here is peer pressure and wanting to look hard.The kids were pissed up and showing off..kids these days are frightemningly insecure and need to do things like this to appear to belong..in many young groups people are blown away because they be 'dissed' by another.All very sad and I truly wander how many countries in the world such a thing would not happen ..or at least be much rarere than it is in these shores.Can you imagine what it'll be like in the UK in a hundred years or so?Pretty savage thinks I !!

A Clockwork Orange was never banned apparently. Stanley Kubrick used to live up here in Hertfordshire and got Warner Brothers to withdraw it from exhibition because of threats to the lives of his family. I mean, its just a movie fer chrissakes!!! To want to kill someone for it is just unbelievable.

This was on the documentary about Stanley Kubrick many years ago.

I'm finding all this violence and fundamental lack of respect for other living people really depressing at the moment.

Marino wrote:

> When I was young most of us laughed at Goths cos they were so
> funny to look at, but I have never met a bad goth in my life,
> every one of them seems to be more reserved then their clothing
> and appearance would have you think.
> They all used to be middle class white kids having their own
> little personal rebellion against the world by the way they
> dressed.(please correct me if I am wrong old gothers)

Spawning after punk in the early 80s, the Goth thing encompassed most classes, being popular in provincial towns and areas in a manner similar to both punk and the metallers of the time. A very strong Uni-student support of course, but this was when the working class could still afford to go.

You'd be roughly right to think the current Goth popularity is largely middle class and yes, they were always a pretty harmless lot and probably still are.

andy ide wrote:

> I haven't been so deeply disturbed by a piece of news for a
> very long time and I think the references to A Clockwork Orange
> are entirely apt. I know this probably sounds daft but I would
> like to see some public figure or figures lobby the BBC,
> publicly, to have it shown at 9 o'clock on a Sunday night on
> BBC1 and for there to be an hour's debating programme preceding
> it. Slam-dunk it right into the middle of all that cosiness. It
> should be actively used for discussion and education.

Not a bad idea at all, but A Clockwok Orange is about free will, and how we must accept that crimes will happen as long as man/society is granted it.

btw - apparently there's no clear record of Kubrick receiving death threats and withdrawing the film accordingly, but he did receive threats some years later filming Barry Lyndon in Ireland.

I've never really understood why goths were given such a hard time. Every one I have met all seemed to be really nice folk. If I was quick to judge I would say they were making a statemnt about society hence wantig to be different.

This stuff really incenses me. Even if those brats became bitches to their cell mates this would not be half of what they deserve for what they have done.

I hope they get sent down for a long long time and hopefully not only will they reflect on the two lives they have destroyed but the sheer waste of their own lives because of it.

People have always been given pastings for being different but this was hatred to the highest degree. Spineless guys like these who fight in packs makes you want to fuck them up bad big time.

The fact the couple didnt fight back indicates they were peaceful people which makes it all the more worse.

I just cant stomach bullys

The couple looked and sounded great...Goth isn't really me, but I loved Sisters of Mercy and can tolerate the Cure.

20 years for the little murderous shits? I do hope so.

Yeah, makes me sick, too. And what about these chav, pikey fuckers, here?



Civil society, manners, decency and respect have all gone to the dogs. I won't point the finger solely at NuLabour, because this journey started way back in the 60's. But a large part of the blame must lie with those bearded, muesli munching, leather elbowed, Labour supports of yor who petitioned that wasters, scumbags, and pikey mongs (the ?vulnerable? and ?disadvantaged? in luvie speak) must be respected and allowed to express themselves without the rest of society 'labeling' them or being 'judgmental'. Well, the chavy fuckers are certainly expressing themselves nowadays ? and with frequently tragic consequences.

Although it?s not all NuLabour's fault they?re certainly not doing anything about it. The fact is they can't do anything about it. Their poncy progressive philosophies prevent them from talking the necessary action - that being to make being a scumbag, chav waster a socially and financially uncomfortable place to be. They need to cut pikey benefits, force them into jobs or into the army and institute a campaign of public derision and disrespect to nere-do-wells, mongs, and smelly bastards everywhere. Once it becomes socially uncomfortable and uncool to be a thick, malevolent, chav, they might start to smarten themselves up a bit. But if middleclass lefties continue to furnish them with your hard earned dough and respect them as they are they will have little or no incentive to change and respect anyone else.

Another obstacle to action is that, unlike ordinary working folk, the middleclass lefties of Labour and the public sector almost always tend to live in nice leafy middleclass suburbs (like Ed Balls Up and Yvette ?let them live in little houses? Cooper) with lots of other nice, cultured, socially concerned people. And since these people are not faced with the constant danger of having their houses burgled, their cars nicked or being randomly assaulted in their 'hood', they feel little or no urgency to actually do anything about it.




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