You summed that up very well good oneJonnyHungwell wrote:
> The bouncers are probably scared to search groups of black
> youths - for fear of being shot or stabbed themselves.
Ben Kinsella
Re: Ben Kinsella
You're telling us that you were never drinking in pubs/clubs at 16?.Apparantley,Ben was stabbed for treading on another blokes toes accidentially.This is how out of hand and how lack of respect the youngsters of today have become.
What's more worrying is these networking sites like Bebo and Facebook,which allow people to create tribute groups gloryfying gang violence,and also allow them to post photos of people posing with guns.
Little do they realise,only cowards carry guns and knives.In reality,these little runts could'nt fight their way out of a paper bag.randyandy wrote:
> No justification for the poor lads murder in any but an
> uncomfortable question that isn't being asked is a why 16 year
> old was in a bar underage.
>
> "Ben was out with friends" and "a good boy" BUT Ben should not
> have been in a bar with friends.
>
> Were trying to tell kids not to do bad things but then saying
> its OK to do some.
>
> As I said no justification for the murder but the sad reality
> is that if Ben hadn't been in a place that he shouldn't haven
> been in he would not have been killed there.
>
>
What's more worrying is these networking sites like Bebo and Facebook,which allow people to create tribute groups gloryfying gang violence,and also allow them to post photos of people posing with guns.
Little do they realise,only cowards carry guns and knives.In reality,these little runts could'nt fight their way out of a paper bag.randyandy wrote:
> No justification for the poor lads murder in any but an
> uncomfortable question that isn't being asked is a why 16 year
> old was in a bar underage.
>
> "Ben was out with friends" and "a good boy" BUT Ben should not
> have been in a bar with friends.
>
> Were trying to tell kids not to do bad things but then saying
> its OK to do some.
>
> As I said no justification for the murder but the sad reality
> is that if Ben hadn't been in a place that he shouldn't haven
> been in he would not have been killed there.
>
>
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Re: Ben Kinsella
Cowards yes your right Mike i had a gutfull on the estate i live in starts with name calling asking for money goes on from there the police are crap dealing with it saying there good kids really its only a matter of time when things will get out of handMike_CFC wrote:
> You're telling us that you were never drinking in pubs/clubs at
> 16?.Apparantley,Ben was stabbed for treading on another blokes
> toes accidentially.This is how out of hand and how lack of
> respect the youngsters of today have become.
>
> What's more worrying is these networking sites like Bebo and
> Facebook,which allow people to create tribute groups gloryfying
> gang violence,and also allow them to post photos of people
> posing with guns.
>
> Little do they realise,only cowards carry guns and knives.In
> reality,these little runts could'nt fight their way out of a
> paper bag.randyandy wrote:
>
> > No justification for the poor lads murder in any but an
> > uncomfortable question that isn't being asked is a why 16
> year
> > old was in a bar underage.
> >
> > "Ben was out with friends" and "a good boy" BUT Ben should
> not
> > have been in a bar with friends.
> >
> > Were trying to tell kids not to do bad things but then saying
> > its OK to do some.
> >
> > As I said no justification for the murder but the sad reality
> > is that if Ben hadn't been in a place that he shouldn't haven
> > been in he would not have been killed there.
> >
> >
>
>
> You're telling us that you were never drinking in pubs/clubs at
> 16?.Apparantley,Ben was stabbed for treading on another blokes
> toes accidentially.This is how out of hand and how lack of
> respect the youngsters of today have become.
>
> What's more worrying is these networking sites like Bebo and
> Facebook,which allow people to create tribute groups gloryfying
> gang violence,and also allow them to post photos of people
> posing with guns.
>
> Little do they realise,only cowards carry guns and knives.In
> reality,these little runts could'nt fight their way out of a
> paper bag.randyandy wrote:
>
> > No justification for the poor lads murder in any but an
> > uncomfortable question that isn't being asked is a why 16
> year
> > old was in a bar underage.
> >
> > "Ben was out with friends" and "a good boy" BUT Ben should
> not
> > have been in a bar with friends.
> >
> > Were trying to tell kids not to do bad things but then saying
> > its OK to do some.
> >
> > As I said no justification for the murder but the sad reality
> > is that if Ben hadn't been in a place that he shouldn't haven
> > been in he would not have been killed there.
> >
> >
>
>
Re: Ben Kinsella
What's more disgraceful Steve is that if noble people like yourself was to give one of those reprobates a dry slap,you would be charged with assaulting a minor.
When i was growing up in the 70's/80's.That's exactly what would happen to kids that disrespect their elders.And our parents would also give us a beating afterwards.steve56 wrote:
> Cowards yes your right Mike i had a gutfull on the estate i
> live in starts with name calling asking for money goes on from
> there the police are crap dealing with it saying there good
> kids really its only a matter of time when things will get out
> of handMike_CFC wrote:
>
> > You're telling us that you were never drinking in pubs/clubs
> at
> > 16?.Apparantley,Ben was stabbed for treading on another
> blokes
> > toes accidentially.This is how out of hand and how lack of
> > respect the youngsters of today have become.
> >
> > What's more worrying is these networking sites like Bebo and
> > Facebook,which allow people to create tribute groups
> gloryfying
> > gang violence,and also allow them to post photos of people
> > posing with guns.
> >
> > Little do they realise,only cowards carry guns and knives.In
> > reality,these little runts could'nt fight their way out of a
> > paper bag.randyandy wrote:
> >
> > > No justification for the poor lads murder in any but an
> > > uncomfortable question that isn't being asked is a why 16
> > year
> > > old was in a bar underage.
> > >
> > > "Ben was out with friends" and "a good boy" BUT Ben should
> > not
> > > have been in a bar with friends.
> > >
> > > Were trying to tell kids not to do bad things but then
> saying
> > > its OK to do some.
> > >
> > > As I said no justification for the murder but the sad
> reality
> > > is that if Ben hadn't been in a place that he shouldn't
> haven
> > > been in he would not have been killed there.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
When i was growing up in the 70's/80's.That's exactly what would happen to kids that disrespect their elders.And our parents would also give us a beating afterwards.steve56 wrote:
> Cowards yes your right Mike i had a gutfull on the estate i
> live in starts with name calling asking for money goes on from
> there the police are crap dealing with it saying there good
> kids really its only a matter of time when things will get out
> of handMike_CFC wrote:
>
> > You're telling us that you were never drinking in pubs/clubs
> at
> > 16?.Apparantley,Ben was stabbed for treading on another
> blokes
> > toes accidentially.This is how out of hand and how lack of
> > respect the youngsters of today have become.
> >
> > What's more worrying is these networking sites like Bebo and
> > Facebook,which allow people to create tribute groups
> gloryfying
> > gang violence,and also allow them to post photos of people
> > posing with guns.
> >
> > Little do they realise,only cowards carry guns and knives.In
> > reality,these little runts could'nt fight their way out of a
> > paper bag.randyandy wrote:
> >
> > > No justification for the poor lads murder in any but an
> > > uncomfortable question that isn't being asked is a why 16
> > year
> > > old was in a bar underage.
> > >
> > > "Ben was out with friends" and "a good boy" BUT Ben should
> > not
> > > have been in a bar with friends.
> > >
> > > Were trying to tell kids not to do bad things but then
> saying
> > > its OK to do some.
> > >
> > > As I said no justification for the murder but the sad
> reality
> > > is that if Ben hadn't been in a place that he shouldn't
> haven
> > > been in he would not have been killed there.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Violence Epidemic
Of course measures should be taken to remove knives & guns from these kids somehow, but the real work needs to be understanding why these acts of 'ultra violence' are becoming more and more regular.
I'm far from a 'liberal' guy but nothing will be solved until the uncomfortable truth of 'why' is confronted.
Growing up in a reasonable area 20/30 years I'm sure many of us knew the odd 'bad egg', kids who were bad lads, often wicked bastards who ended up in and out of prison etc, they have always existed. Those of us who lived on council estates may have known slightly more 'bad lads' but they weren't 'the norm' I'm sure many of us wrestled with times of self-doubt as we grew up and even the best-brought-up of us questioned our worth at times. Times have changed now, and I can see why knife & gun crime are increasing amongst the young:
Many of these kids have no purpose. This is not to say they could never have any purpose, but it's fair to say many of them are born to people who have no great hopes and dreams for their offspring and instill no real values in their young as they grow up. When you add that to the usual teenage angst it's a recipe for disaster, they are instinctively angry with the world and this manifests itself in violence and drug abuse. Kids of a similar mindset in gangs/groups spells trouble, they don't see any value in their own lives so why the hell should respect anyone else??? Even the kids with 'good prospects' often have relatively little true 'worth' beyond fullfilling a 'role' in some big corporation, hence the amount of kids going 'off the rails' and courting extreme thoughts and actions.
It's like A Clockwork Orange without the culture or wit and it's going to need something more than hollow words from dopey coppers & rushed legislation from shallow politicians to heal these wounds
I'm far from a 'liberal' guy but nothing will be solved until the uncomfortable truth of 'why' is confronted.
Growing up in a reasonable area 20/30 years I'm sure many of us knew the odd 'bad egg', kids who were bad lads, often wicked bastards who ended up in and out of prison etc, they have always existed. Those of us who lived on council estates may have known slightly more 'bad lads' but they weren't 'the norm' I'm sure many of us wrestled with times of self-doubt as we grew up and even the best-brought-up of us questioned our worth at times. Times have changed now, and I can see why knife & gun crime are increasing amongst the young:
Many of these kids have no purpose. This is not to say they could never have any purpose, but it's fair to say many of them are born to people who have no great hopes and dreams for their offspring and instill no real values in their young as they grow up. When you add that to the usual teenage angst it's a recipe for disaster, they are instinctively angry with the world and this manifests itself in violence and drug abuse. Kids of a similar mindset in gangs/groups spells trouble, they don't see any value in their own lives so why the hell should respect anyone else??? Even the kids with 'good prospects' often have relatively little true 'worth' beyond fullfilling a 'role' in some big corporation, hence the amount of kids going 'off the rails' and courting extreme thoughts and actions.
It's like A Clockwork Orange without the culture or wit and it's going to need something more than hollow words from dopey coppers & rushed legislation from shallow politicians to heal these wounds
They're locking them up today, they're throwing away the key...I wonder who it be tomorrow, you or me?
Re: Violence Epidemic
Ill prob be slated for saying this but Many of the Parents are ignorant and dont want to know and are just as bad.Westminster is terrible the so called officers keep saying well do something the thing is no one gives a shit .
Re: Violence Epidemic
The reason why the politicians don't give a shit is because it does'nt happen in their neighbourhood.I'd love to see how a politician would cope living on a rough council estate like Moss Side or Stonebridge Park.
It's the youths of today copying the gangster culture of 1980's 1990's America.It also does'nt help when gobshites like Eminem,50 Cent and The Game gloryfy gang crime in their music.Also with that prick Mark Morrison(remember him?) claiming to come from 'the hood'
This is a person that cried like a baby when he was sent to Wormwood Scrubs !laugh!
I also can't stand their gangster jargon and how they abuse the English language.
The parents are definetley to blame !thumbsdown!
It's the youths of today copying the gangster culture of 1980's 1990's America.It also does'nt help when gobshites like Eminem,50 Cent and The Game gloryfy gang crime in their music.Also with that prick Mark Morrison(remember him?) claiming to come from 'the hood'
This is a person that cried like a baby when he was sent to Wormwood Scrubs !laugh!
I also can't stand their gangster jargon and how they abuse the English language.
The parents are definetley to blame !thumbsdown!
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Re: Ben Kinsella
Mike_CFC wrote:
> You're telling us that you were never drinking in pubs/clubs at
> 16?.
No I didn't Mike.
Mainly because I looked to young and couldn't get away with it but the way you've put it you seem to justify it.
The other reason was when I was 16 (many moons ago) You knew there were certain things you could do, certain things you couldn't do and if you did do the things you couldn't do you did them out of the bloody way so you didn't bring attention to yourself and most certainly didn't do them to the annoyance of others.
I learned that after doing trick a treat and one of the households we went to went round to my parents. When I got home there was a thick ear waiting for me.
Drunken thugs on the street underage - Ben in a bar underage no difference ALL are braking the law, as far as the drinking is concerned.
The facts that Ben may have been a good boy and harmless are irrelevant he died because he was in a place that he shouldn't have been in.
Make no mistake the lowlife that killed him would probably have found another victim and there is absolutely no justification for what they did but as I said if Ben hadn't been doing what he shouldn't have been doing he would be still with us.
> You're telling us that you were never drinking in pubs/clubs at
> 16?.
No I didn't Mike.
Mainly because I looked to young and couldn't get away with it but the way you've put it you seem to justify it.
The other reason was when I was 16 (many moons ago) You knew there were certain things you could do, certain things you couldn't do and if you did do the things you couldn't do you did them out of the bloody way so you didn't bring attention to yourself and most certainly didn't do them to the annoyance of others.
I learned that after doing trick a treat and one of the households we went to went round to my parents. When I got home there was a thick ear waiting for me.
Drunken thugs on the street underage - Ben in a bar underage no difference ALL are braking the law, as far as the drinking is concerned.
The facts that Ben may have been a good boy and harmless are irrelevant he died because he was in a place that he shouldn't have been in.
Make no mistake the lowlife that killed him would probably have found another victim and there is absolutely no justification for what they did but as I said if Ben hadn't been doing what he shouldn't have been doing he would be still with us.
Re: Ben Kinsella
It's called evolution I am afraid Steve, when you think of the scum that was growing up in the 80's and 90's you then have to think that THEY now have children of their own - who are just one step further down the foodchain.
TBH it is the parents who should be held responsible with some of these kids - no way half of them stood a chance with cuntish parents who cannot even look after themselves nevermind their "wouldn't hurt a fly" kids.
TBH it is the parents who should be held responsible with some of these kids - no way half of them stood a chance with cuntish parents who cannot even look after themselves nevermind their "wouldn't hurt a fly" kids.
PEOPLE think Stephen Hawking is so clever, but when you ask him a question and he is typing in the answer on his little screen, how do we know he isn't just looking up the answer on the Internet?
Re: Ben Kinsella
I can remember the time when I started going to night clubs .Was 1989 onwards and the local club was Hollywood in romford.
When you entered you had a metal detactor waved over you by the door staff.and a search,if you were wearing boots they stamped on your toes incase you had steel toe caps,they also checked your ankles incase youd stashed a knife down your socks.then had your jacket cheacked.was a pain in the arse when it was raining while cueing but at least you all got a proper search
That was then !! so why dont they do it now?
and also how come people just dont have a punch up and be done with it?
in my youth you had a fight and either got a kickin or gave one out and thats where it ended.
many the night I can rmember comming out of hollywoods and going to the dog burger van,getting a dog burger and then standing aside to watch the fights start.few mins a few punches later all over and no stabbings !!!
When you entered you had a metal detactor waved over you by the door staff.and a search,if you were wearing boots they stamped on your toes incase you had steel toe caps,they also checked your ankles incase youd stashed a knife down your socks.then had your jacket cheacked.was a pain in the arse when it was raining while cueing but at least you all got a proper search
That was then !! so why dont they do it now?
and also how come people just dont have a punch up and be done with it?
in my youth you had a fight and either got a kickin or gave one out and thats where it ended.
many the night I can rmember comming out of hollywoods and going to the dog burger van,getting a dog burger and then standing aside to watch the fights start.few mins a few punches later all over and no stabbings !!!
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