egafd.com

And The huge, HUGE Buildings dont forget...Ah, it could have been SO different... x

Interesting how those who claim democracy doesn't exist here can then make comment on this.

A few things troubling me at the mo:

MP's expenses voted down because it brings the euro gravy train here. Surely it's only a gravey train if you apply to use it?
Do those MP's voting against not have the morals and strength of character not to apply to it? If they don't should they be MP's?

Big noise about tax from Green Dave and the media (many who will fall into it) but no sign from Green Dave that he will change it.

Nick Clegg claiming that things should be done because it's the decent thing to do. Costs etc don't come into it.

Media crticism of the so-called special relationship with the USA and then special programmes on the presidents 100 days.

I think the PM has been very badly advised not just on issues but also how he should present them. How he looks in terms of appearence on camera shouldn't mean a thing but being allowed to be badly advised does raise the question if he should still be PM.

I can see why he won't go, media friendly but no substance Green Dave is the alternative, we can't just do another change of leader which means an expensive General Election which at this moment in time we can't afford but do he feel he should declare his intention to step down as soon as it is possible.

The thing that then troubles me is that the media will have achieved it's aim and will soon turn on the new PM and the boring circus starts all over again.

That and the honest belief that with Green, where's the camera pointing, Dave in charge we will be in even deeper brown stuff than we already are.

Oh dear, randyandy.

Now I *know* that Gormless really *is* in trouble, when the best that he can rely on even from dyed-in-the-wool NuLabourites like yourself is (reading beween your lines) "yes Gordon's crap, but CameraOn is worse".

Hardly a ringing endorsement, is it?!

- Eric

LOL, I was just thinking that, if you support Labour, fine! nowt wrong with that, but to admit your leaders crap!!!, well, it's both honest on andy's part, and sadly true. So! Andy, who would be better to keep this Govenment in power............
Nobody can know if CMD would be crap, or do any better, you only find these things out once a person is in power, it's pointless saying " things would be crap under a new Con government, because the reality is..You dont and can't know. It's like getting a new Boss, will he be any good? you cant know until he has been in charge for a while. What you can know is how the present government is performing, and more importantly, how the Leader is performing, I think the general feeling is, not very well. Whats truly sickening is that, some strategy will be employed to paint Brown as a valuable asset to European economics, and someone will conjur up a job for him, allowing him to quit gracefully and obtain some spurious highly paid consultancy work, and all will be forgotten, one thing is for sure he will go down in history as one of the worst PM's ever, and as the election looms, just watch all the old nu-labour strategist appear, including Blair and campbell, because without them, he is truly sunk.

Flat_Eric wrote:

> Oh dear, randyandy.
>
> Now I *know* that Gormless really *is* in trouble, when the
> best that he can rely on even from dyed-in-the-wool
> NuLabourites like yourself is (reading beween your lines) "yes
> Gordon's crap, but CameraOn is worse".
>
> Hardly a ringing endorsement, is it?!
>
> - Eric
>

Sadly not Eric.

It's been a very bad week, most I know feel badly let down on a number of issues but we also knows much of the stick is media generated with little focus on Tory issues like the Eric Pickles classic or the Gurkhas rant, despite nothing being done about them prior to 1997.

Trouble is the media appear to be creating the politician they want to see and those up and coming from all parites are feeling the need to be as camera friendly as possible.

I have yet to see Green Dave put on the spot and return an answer to a specific question asked and I feel it's more down to the thinking it's how politics has to be seen to work.

It would be nice to see a Nick Robinson ask Green Dave what he would do after he's made a rant.

Something simple like will you change the 50% and when he's done his blah blahs ask him again with the opening line that's not what I asked I asked will you change the 50%.

With regards to the specific Hardly a ringing endorsement point. At the moment we seem to be deep in the sh*t and it is only the depth that varies depending who is in charge.

I think it will get worse a lot worse with Green Dave in the same way it has since Tory policy came into force in my local council.

If they can fuck up a relatively small council, coincedently priased by Green Dave, I dred to think what they can do with their hands on everything.

Your dreading something thats not happened yet, and may never happen.
Again, who would you rather see in place of Brown, I am assuming you are a Labour voter, and thats fine, but who would you like to see lead the party?

To be honest Liz I am not sure who I would like to see in his place simply because the up and commers are trained in how politics has to be seen to be done.

Even the old school have resorted to it and there are few well knowns when put on the spot who wouldn't do it.

I'd even look at someone like a Chris Bryant with a Geraldine Smith for a cabinet role.

It needs a complete change in mentality and if it doesn't happen it may as well stay the same.

Your right about what your saying, we don't know what it will be like until it actually happens but you can assume and from what I've seen it will be a lot worse under Green Dave.

Just been looking at an article about the Tory candidates in the top 140 Tory target seats......makes me think that Dave is just about smoke and mirrors.

It's back to Thatcherite hell for these eejits- who regret the Poll Tax [I bet they fucking do!] and not much else.

They want to:

Repeal the hunting ban
Ban gay adoption
Alter the funding formulas for devolved administrations.

Things have changed too much for gay marriages, human rights legislation and devolution to be repealed; but expect the Imperial England line to appear from Day One....as I have said, play that card and Scotland will be gone and Wales will move to the state Scotland was in from 1987 to 1997..formenting.

I could go on....but an unfettered Tory government will- if you live in England- be just like the 80s all over again.

Will the last decent and human person to leave England please turn the lights off?

Spot on Colonel,just reading in the paers this morning one of the first things the tories will abolish is the winter fuel alllowance. Back to the days when poor pensioners had to sit with cooats on to keep warm cause they couldn't afford heating in Winter. Dark days are ahead unless you are wealthy.