BNP have won a seat
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mrmcfister
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Re: BNP have won a seat
You may not like it but that's democracy.No good bleating about it.I don't like it but I totally respect the result.Perhaps you would prefer to live in Burma or North Korea?
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max_tranmere
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Re: BNP have won a seat
They didn't do as well as they hoped. I saw Griffin on tv saying they hoped to get 6 seats, and they only wound up with 2. It will make no differnce to anything though - as Ken Livingstone said some years ago "if voting changed anything they'd abolish it".
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max_tranmere
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Re: BNP have won a seat
Reggie, I think only a small proportion of those who voted for the BNP are the jackboot, tatooed, shaven headed thug element in our society. A lot of the people (this is my view) are poor, neglected, white people who have been abandoned by the main three parties. The ethnic make-up of Britain is changing at a rate never seen before, we now have the highest immigration for over one thousand years into a small overcrowded island that has a health service, transport network, and school network that can barely accomodate the people already here.
One thing that shocked me was something I saw on Newsnight on BBC2 just after the expansion of the EU in 2004. It focused on the town of Crewe up north and talked about a man who ran an employment agency above a shop. He decided to places ads in newspapers and on the walls of shops in towns and cities in Poland advertising jobs in and around Crewe. Before long Crewe had been over run with Poles. This man, without any planning or co-ordinating of Government, councils, or anyone, was able to change the ethnic make-up of the town ALL BY HIMSELF from his office above a shop. No one in authority spent even one second looking at whether the local housing stock, schools, hospitals, whatever, could cope.
So many areas of Britain have had huge numbers of new arrivals without anyone in authority looking at what that will mean for the area, whether it will add to, or erode, the culture and way of doing things of the country, or anything. No one in authority gives a damn. If English is spoken anywhere in England now it is only by chance, not by design. If you live in London or Birmingham, or in many other cities, it is rare you will have English neighbours or hear people speaking English in the street or on a bus. Being English isnt down to ethnicity, it is down to attitude. I would say Trevor McDonald is just as English as High Grant - his loyality is to here, and he is culturally the same.
What I find strange is how many people who clearly identify themselves as NOT English and don't give a damn about this country, have no loyalty to it, and don't know or even care about our history, sacrifices, culture, or anything, have to be regarded as English too - when THEY THEMSELVES don't even regard themselves as English. Walk along Edgware Road in London, location of the large Lebanese community, something which is expanding all the time. How many of them would you see wearing a poppy on Rememberance Sunday? None. I live a few miles from there and found myself over near that area one such sunday one November. I thought I would look out for this. Nobody was. They not only do not wear a poppy but wouldn't know, or care, about anything to do with the sacrifice of millions of our citizens over the last 100 years - whilst enjoying all the fruits of the huge sacrifices.
This sort of thing really annoys people. Not only the extent of how badly the government have f**ked up this whole immigration, multiculturalism thing - with no planning or co-ordinating, and just hoping things might go this way or that - but the fact also that the local people, be them white, black, whatever, have to regard as British those people who do not even regard THEMSELVES as British and who have no loyalty or care for this country at all. I have never been poor, I wouln't say I was rich but I am certainly not poor. If I was poor and felt the full effects of sucessive government's screw-ups on this, then I might have voted BNP myself.
Look at the above example about Crewe, and that is just one of numerous examples, look at the fact that every foreign community in every city in Britain is expanding (and I don't mean ethnic minority community, I mean specifically where the majority of the people actively regard themselves as totally foreign and have loyalties to elsewhere). Those areas are expanding all the time, meaning that the other areas around them are shrinking all the time. Look at the fact that one in four children born in Britain now are born to people who were themselves born overseas. I would never vote BNP, but, as I said, I have never been poor and totally neglected. I can understand how some people could and would.
In the last 100 years, with the exception of the disasterous way the First World War was fought, nothing has been f**ked up as badly as the way mass immigration has been handled. And all the politicans who have messed it all up can do is to try and vilify those who have voted for this party - not blaming themselves for so neglecting and so dis-enfranchising those people that those people felt they had no other choice.
One thing that shocked me was something I saw on Newsnight on BBC2 just after the expansion of the EU in 2004. It focused on the town of Crewe up north and talked about a man who ran an employment agency above a shop. He decided to places ads in newspapers and on the walls of shops in towns and cities in Poland advertising jobs in and around Crewe. Before long Crewe had been over run with Poles. This man, without any planning or co-ordinating of Government, councils, or anyone, was able to change the ethnic make-up of the town ALL BY HIMSELF from his office above a shop. No one in authority spent even one second looking at whether the local housing stock, schools, hospitals, whatever, could cope.
So many areas of Britain have had huge numbers of new arrivals without anyone in authority looking at what that will mean for the area, whether it will add to, or erode, the culture and way of doing things of the country, or anything. No one in authority gives a damn. If English is spoken anywhere in England now it is only by chance, not by design. If you live in London or Birmingham, or in many other cities, it is rare you will have English neighbours or hear people speaking English in the street or on a bus. Being English isnt down to ethnicity, it is down to attitude. I would say Trevor McDonald is just as English as High Grant - his loyality is to here, and he is culturally the same.
What I find strange is how many people who clearly identify themselves as NOT English and don't give a damn about this country, have no loyalty to it, and don't know or even care about our history, sacrifices, culture, or anything, have to be regarded as English too - when THEY THEMSELVES don't even regard themselves as English. Walk along Edgware Road in London, location of the large Lebanese community, something which is expanding all the time. How many of them would you see wearing a poppy on Rememberance Sunday? None. I live a few miles from there and found myself over near that area one such sunday one November. I thought I would look out for this. Nobody was. They not only do not wear a poppy but wouldn't know, or care, about anything to do with the sacrifice of millions of our citizens over the last 100 years - whilst enjoying all the fruits of the huge sacrifices.
This sort of thing really annoys people. Not only the extent of how badly the government have f**ked up this whole immigration, multiculturalism thing - with no planning or co-ordinating, and just hoping things might go this way or that - but the fact also that the local people, be them white, black, whatever, have to regard as British those people who do not even regard THEMSELVES as British and who have no loyalty or care for this country at all. I have never been poor, I wouln't say I was rich but I am certainly not poor. If I was poor and felt the full effects of sucessive government's screw-ups on this, then I might have voted BNP myself.
Look at the above example about Crewe, and that is just one of numerous examples, look at the fact that every foreign community in every city in Britain is expanding (and I don't mean ethnic minority community, I mean specifically where the majority of the people actively regard themselves as totally foreign and have loyalties to elsewhere). Those areas are expanding all the time, meaning that the other areas around them are shrinking all the time. Look at the fact that one in four children born in Britain now are born to people who were themselves born overseas. I would never vote BNP, but, as I said, I have never been poor and totally neglected. I can understand how some people could and would.
In the last 100 years, with the exception of the disasterous way the First World War was fought, nothing has been f**ked up as badly as the way mass immigration has been handled. And all the politicans who have messed it all up can do is to try and vilify those who have voted for this party - not blaming themselves for so neglecting and so dis-enfranchising those people that those people felt they had no other choice.
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max_tranmere
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Re: BNP have won a seat
Reggie, we dont just have immigration from the EU we have it from a lot of non-EU countries aswell. Aswell as that, some of the other 26 EU countries had colonies years ago and have deals with those countries which say that people from there have the right to settle in that place. Once they have done that those people then have free passage to move all over Europe and many come here by that means.
It is many many more countries than just the other 26 in Europe that have people who have a right to settle here. Also there are the huge numbers of asylum seekrs who are apparently so in need of safety and refuge that they turn it down in 6 others countries on the way here (we are at least 7 countries away from the nearest trouble spot) and come here instead.
I never compared mass immigration to the huge death toll of WW1. I compared it in the sense that nothing has been so mishandled, so screwed up, in the last 100 years, in the way it was organised and managed. Read what I said again, it is the organisation and the level of f**k up involved in the organisation that I draw a paralell with. I mean, can you think of anything, in terms of its organisation, that was f**ked up as badly as those two things in the last 100 years? I can't.
I stated that my issue is with people who very much regard themselves as foreign, rather than with people who are for example black British who have total lolyaly to here and see themselves as Brits. I said above that in my view Trevor McDonald is as English as Hugh Grant. Why you have formed the impression than I am a closet BNP supporter, I do not know. I think you want to hold that view - it is not something suggested by what I said above.
It is many many more countries than just the other 26 in Europe that have people who have a right to settle here. Also there are the huge numbers of asylum seekrs who are apparently so in need of safety and refuge that they turn it down in 6 others countries on the way here (we are at least 7 countries away from the nearest trouble spot) and come here instead.
I never compared mass immigration to the huge death toll of WW1. I compared it in the sense that nothing has been so mishandled, so screwed up, in the last 100 years, in the way it was organised and managed. Read what I said again, it is the organisation and the level of f**k up involved in the organisation that I draw a paralell with. I mean, can you think of anything, in terms of its organisation, that was f**ked up as badly as those two things in the last 100 years? I can't.
I stated that my issue is with people who very much regard themselves as foreign, rather than with people who are for example black British who have total lolyaly to here and see themselves as Brits. I said above that in my view Trevor McDonald is as English as Hugh Grant. Why you have formed the impression than I am a closet BNP supporter, I do not know. I think you want to hold that view - it is not something suggested by what I said above.