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and we"re an island for heavens sake- should be easy peesy to do..im all forCONTROLLED immigration...never understood why we lost so many business,banking and entreprenurial types Re the Hongkong passports fiasco.. youd think we"d want THEM!....x

I think that it would be unfortunate to see the likes of Nick Griffin on Question Time. Likewise, I would feel uncomfortable if they had a paedophile on QT explaining the wonders of paedophilia or a organiser of illegal dog fights on the programme explaining how marvellous it was to see animals tearing each other to pieces.
In the threads there seem to be three different issues raised.
1. They have democratically elected councillors and MEPs.
2. They are divis and therefore getting them on Question Time would show people what a bunch of bastards they are.
3. The BNP is not racist but a small core of their membership might be.

Re. issues 1. and 3, the BNP frequently take the view that they are not a racist party. This is clearly nonsense. The BNP is racist through and through. For a start it is enshrined in its constitution. The last time I looked (about a month ago) the constitution still states that only whites should be allowed to join and that the party is in favour of repatriation of immigrants either by voluntary or forcible means. Griffin and many of the leadership have lengthy records as both Holocaust deniers and racists. Griffin himself was quoted as saying:

We haven't given up on our principle that mono racial countries... mono ethnic countries are more stable, it's far easier to preserve human rights and freedom within those whereas multi-racial societies always end up going right down the road of tyranny."

On the subject of homosexuality, after the Admiral Duncan bombing, Griffin wrote

"The TV footage of dozens of gay demonstrators flaunting their perversions in front of the world's journalists showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive."

In short the BNP have much in common with Hitler fascism.


I feel that the BNP should have been banned years ago for these reasons in exactly the same way that I believe a Muslim party that preaches racial hatred towards whites should be banned.

Re. issue 2, I am concerned that giving these people airspace is providing them with an air of respectability they do not deserve. Jade Goody and Jordan have always come across to me as divis. Having said that Jade died a millionairess and Jordan/Katie Price has made a fortune through her books/products etc. It would appear that for a lot of people simply being on the tele and being controversial is a good enough reason to be accepted and famous, irrespective of intelligence or the views they hold.

In short, better to ban the bastards and then prevent them getting airtime whether they are Nick Griffin or Osama Bin Laden's representative in Britain.

David, they have a whites-only policy and they say they are not racist. It certainly is racist to have a whites-only policy but because organisations that have a blacks-only, or ethnic minority-only, policy are not regarded as racist then I think it is for that reason Griffin and co say they are not. If it is acceptable to just be there for your own race, exclude others, and that be ok (like the Black Police Officers Association) and you are not called a racist if you do it, then I think that is what Griffin means when he says they are not racist. He is saying they are not overtly anti anyone else, just pro their own thing. As I said, I think that is racism but you will never get a level playing field here. Ethnic minority groups can be as racist as they like and nothing ever happens. For some reason rules are not applied evenly in society. Remember the demonstrators outside the Danish embassy in London with their "death to the west", "Britain your 9/11 is coming", "behead anyone who insults Islam" placards, during the controversy over the Mohammed cartoons? Nothing happened to them, the Police instead arrested passers-by who complained about the slogans. The Sun newspaper pointed it all out and pushed very hard for prosecutions and demanded these offensive scumbags be tired in Court, and they eventually were. Look at how many muslim women in Britain have less rights than their men. Many are forced to cover up and wear a burkha. This would be illegal if white men forced their white wives to do this in Britain, but in Islam in the UK the same rules dont apply and misogyny is ok. I would like to see the BNP closed down, but as long as all these racist groups that exclude white people are closed down too. What are the chances of that do you think? Lastly: you mention the BNP's 'send them back' policy. Apparently a system of voluntary repatriation has been in place since Ted Heath's day. It was introduced in 1971, and there is money that can be given, if people want to go. That is all the BNP is talking about, they are not talking about forcibly sending anyone away from the UK as far as I am aware.

Max. Looking into your tea leaves might be a better way of finding out what is going on in the world rather than reading the Sun. You agree that the BNP has a racist whites only policy. Their apologia for this is irrelevant to me. You point out that there are racist muslims - this is true and they should be dealt with in the same way as a bunch of racist whites. You could argue that the BNP has been treated incredibly well over the decades.
Re. repatriation, the current constitution states:
The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic
character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial
integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed
to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by
legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the
British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948.

Legal changes allows both voluntary and forceable repatriation. One could argue that without forceable repatriation, the BNP would have 0% chance of meeting their objective of a white Britain. Obviously they do not highlght this. I cant recall Hitler announcing in the early 30s that he was going to send millions of Jews to the gas chamber either.

David, I didnt get anything from The Sun other than I became aware that it was because of their lobbying that the placard holders were tried in Court.

I and a lot of other people would be extremely happy if racist ethnic minority people were nicked, tried, their organisation hassled by Government and the media, just like racist white organisations are. Like I said, a level playing field. So often this isnt done though - and all in the name of 'community cohesion' and other such loony-left terms that the Labour Party have come up with.

Reading that exert from the BNP's mission statement that you printed above, that certainly leans in the direction of an all-white Britain. I saw Griffin on TV recently saying he wants immigration halted and he has no issue with ethnic minority people being here so long as they go along with our ways. What may be meant in that exert above is that he wants communities not integrating, but living side by side. I want communities to integrate but many ethnic minority communities refuse to. Also, and rather bizarelly, most 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant people have a 'right of return' to the country of their ancestors, many of those people dont regard themselves as remotely English or British or have any loyalty to this country at all. Also Britain is the most overcrowded country in Europe and the 3rd most overcrowded in the world. As none of the main 3 parties give a damn about any of these things, and the BNP seem to care about them, I can understand why some people vote for the BNP. I never would however because of the other things in their manifesto, and particularly I have issues with the character of the senior people in the organisation. Griffin has denied the Holocaust, he was talking about 'sending them back' 10 years ago, now he says he is not in favour of that - he is apparently happy for the ones here to stay here so long as they accept our ways - although one may get a differnt impression on that if one reads the exert from the BNP's mission statement you have printed above. It's ambigous. His deputy Mark Collette is on record as someone who praised Hitler and is not terribly in favour of Jewish people. There are things about the BNP that are appealing, there are things about them that are certainly not appealing. It is because of those latter things that I would never vote for them.

porn historian wrote:
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> However,the main policy is a hault on imigration.Who can deny
> this tiny island is groaning under the weight of 62 million
> people.
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> It is not racist to hault imigration,just common sense.


planeterotica wrote:

Actually immigration is only a small part of the problem, as we are full members of the EU that gives some 350million people a legal right to enter the UK these people are not migrants, some will come as visitors others to find work and there will also be those who come here to take advantage of our generous benefit system, and when our economy recovers even more will want to come to our tiny island and short of pulling out of the EU there is nothing we can do to stop them.