Computer Problem - DVD drive and Vista Home Basic

[Twingo]

[quote]Your computer will work perfectly well without any upgrades with the exception of service pack upgrades if you need them for something specific. Much better to keep your system quite simple and not add on things which can cause serious problems in their own right, such as being unable to start the machine right after a hotfix has installed itself, this can really happen.
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It will work as well as the day it was installed, however it will not benefit from increased stability/reliability and will not benefit from any security exploits that happen, people not updating windows xp, are the vary reason that such large botnets exist today, they simply exploit holes in the OS, that have been patched by microsoft, but the end user hasnt got the update. There is no real reason not to get the latest and greatest updates when they arrive, the vast amount of windows users who do have auto updates enabled are tantamount to this.

[quote]If you want to configure drives on your system why not look at them in BIOS and disk manager before editing your registry, much easier and causes no damage if you get it wrong. The old practice of disconnecting hardware item by item and then putting it back in your case, disk by disk starting with the C drive would have established the disks as you wanted to use them quite easily.[/quote]

If you were referring to the case i mentioned myself, then only by using the registry can you get the OS to recognise the correct DMA for the controller, once its reverted to PIO mode. In some cases you can uninstall the IDE controller via device manager but this doesnt always work.

[quote]Most people, not even IT pros would instantly jump into the registry to fix a lot of problems because if you get it wrong which it is very easy to do, then you're looking at an OS rebuild.[/quote]

I dont think i have every seen anybody who is competant ruin the OS, by changing the registry, sure deleting important keys etc can definetely do that damage, but if your changing generic values and you follow whatever instructions are laid out, its almost impossible.

[quote]I've looked at 50027, it says it will knock out I-Tunes and my CD/DVD burning programs for a start. [/quote]

The reason it has a chance to 'knock out' I-Tunes and CD/DVD burning programs is because they are the programs that have incorrectly altered either the driver or the settings to how they 'think' they should be, however they have not taken into account the vast amount of drives and configuration and most likely rendered the driver useless by forcing there changes.....hence the yellow exclamation mark. So by changing the drive back to its defaults, they burning software driver will be overwritten and no longer work........until that program is reinstalled again. Which it clearly states when you run the application

[quote]I ran it and the result was that my system already conforms to this fix and it is not required. This is on a system where updates have always been off and for several years now. Does this not point to the redundancy of fixes in the first place? Oh and this fix has now slowed down my browser to a crawl, it's showing a strange yellow triangle in the bottom left corner, I'm getting this crap off my system now...lol I'm posting this after a system restore, which is another thing you can safely try if your CD/DVD device is playing up.[/quote]

You need to get your story straight, first of all you ran the fix.......and it wasnt required, so it would changed nothing and im sure it changed nothing, cos i looked at the code.

Then your complaining about how its now slowed your browser to a crawl, which it could never have affected.

Then you complain saying your getting this crap off your system now.....and then in the exact same post, you say you are posting, after having to do a system restore. If you could edit posts i could find a reason for this.......but i'll just accept you made it up.

[Twingo]

[quote]Yes I posted after I did the system restore, because my browser was behaving very strangely it was suddenly impossible to use it at all, the fix didn't add anything new to a system several years old with no hotfixes at all. It added nothing and fucked up the browser, much much worse than the near perfect system I had to start with. After removing the shite you suggested the computer is working perfectly again. Oh yes of course I'm making it up, just to be one-up with you. Don't flatter yourself matey...lol I don't think you're going to get too far armed with just hotfixes and registry editing... lol[/quote]

You made it up.

First of all you seem to champion the notion that people shouldnt install updates, you mention they should be cautious about it and then mention that your own system has no hotfixes installed.........yet you then go and download a patch for something completely irrelvant to your systems needs. Totally against everything you are saying.

Then you install said program to fix something your machine has no problem with and something that is going to result in no positive result on your computer. Do you call out the TV repair man once a month to fix your TV when nothing is wrong as well?

As you stated you ran the program, it didnt detect any driver issues or registry settings that were corrupt and so it would have done nothing to your system. Yet you fabricate a story of how something completely unrelated is now broken (browser going slow), something the software could not have had anything to do with whatsoever. You then mention that its crap and uninstall it and then you have just returned from a systemrestore all in the same sentance. When in fact the yellow icon in your browser is related to Javascript errors in the HTML file that has been sent to you by whatever webserver and is out of the control of your browser/computer completely.

As for the 'shite i suggested' i didnt suggest it to you, in the same way i dont suggest people reinstall drivers or change settings when there is no need for them to do it. But like i said, it never broke your computer did it?

[quote]Most people have Windows updates on because that is how this setting is when the OS is installed. Most of them don't even know what it is. I think you have distorted facts a little here to suit yourself, sad really.[/quote]

What facts am i distorting? Windows update is on for the majority of windows users, whether in a home environment or a corporate enviroment and it auto updates said computers, i cant think of many updates that werent either security fixes to help mitigate an exploit attack on your computer or an update that fixes a bug and increases stability/reliabilty of the system as a whole. Go through the list on next patch Tuesday, im willing to bet every one of them is, stability/security.

Anybody who doesnt install the security fixes is more like as a statistic to have there system exploited and god knows what loaded on. Likewise anybody not installing stability fixes is more likely to have application crashes than those that do, as a whole.

Take a look at the statistics for bot nets..... mostly unpatched XP systems.

Most consumers are aware that leaving windows update on, will give them a more secure and more reliable computing experience and that is exactly what it provides, if you dont believe this , then i would love to hear why, as would Microsoft.

[quote]You can sort out DMA problems by using the method I suggested, terribly simple, fundamental even classic IT[/quote]

No you cannot, the problem is that the BIOS can report what it likes and you can change the settings in there, but windows will load its IDE driver and use the settings in the registry to determine the level IT will use. The problem is typically related to when a Optical/Harddrive starts creating errors and so the system drops its DMA mode to a slower one to try and keep the communication, in the end it will step down to PIO mode, which is the slowest, the problem is windows never tries to recover and step back up. It can happen through a device issue, a cable issue or even software related, if you dont believe me, check up on Starforce/PIO issues, as the anti copy protection actively did this to CDdrives.

The only way to resolve the issue, is to blank the hash generated in the registry for that device, so that windows recreates it on next boot.......or uninstall the controller from the system, so that on next boot it is reinstalled with default settings.

There is no way to fix it via the BIOS and no way to fix it via Disk Administrator.

So "yes" fundamental IT, something you have proven to have absolutely no grasp of.

[quote]Learn English rather than spouting bullsh*t[/quote]

So i got a word wrong. It's not like the story you made up about

1. How you downloaded a fix for something that wasnt broken
2. Installed said fix, which didnt do nothing as computer didnt have a problem.
3. Blamed said fix, for causing javascript errors in my browser (yellow triangle), even though is totally impossible that it did that.
4. Uninstalled said fix
5. Said you wrote the post (timed 21:38) where you did the system restore, after you did the system restore. Yet if you read the last paragraph of the post timed 21:38, anybody with an IQ over 10 will clearly see that you just made it up as you went along.

[Sam Slater]

Raped.

[Deuce Bigolo]

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My 2 pence worth

Some patches are unreliable in the beginning because of conflicts they can cause with 3rd party software...seen it all before on the site below

This guy has been saying for ever in a day...wait for other guinea pigs to test the newer patches and see what problems arise but almost all of them eventually are recommended to be downloaded