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I agree they hit our cities and destroyed many non-military targets, killing huge numbers of innocent people. The Barbican area of the City Of London was totally flattened, more than 50 acres there were totally laid waste, and that is why those three towers now stand there, the lakes, schools, concert venues and so on. They were built on London's biggest bomb site. All I was saying about Dresden is that it was very excessive, it is a city the size of Manchester and was totally destroyed in one night. If the Krauts were just whining about civilian areas being bombed they would have moaned about dozens of their cities being hit, but they dont. They highlight Dresden because of the mammoth destruction and the incredible death toll. Apparently they were still finding bodies more than 20 years later. It was also said that when the bombers came back for Round 2, several hours after carpet bombing it the first time, they didn't need to use any navigational equipment to find it as they just followed the bright light of the biggest fire they had ever seen...

http://www.amazon.com/Dresden-Tuesday-F ... 276&sr=1-3

Why on earth did the Italians side with the nazis?

This business of blah blah blah whatever war/invasion/occupation never should be forgotten, I have to say that actually yes it should.

Its precisely beacasue so may fucking idiots who weren't there/weren't born that continues to perpetuate problems that continually lead to conflict; none so a factor as in Northern Ireland, where I live by the way, and believe me there are plenty of idiots here who weren't there but use it to justify their own failings. On both sides.

Most of the time its because peope interpret things to suit their own argument which we are all guilty of at some point. If peace is ever to be achieved in the world ( fat chance I know ) then actually forgetting the past is paramount to moving on. Certainly learn from mistakes but leave it at that.

Cromwell was a bastard yes, should it be remembered? No. Get over it. Otherwise what next, the French for William the Conqueror, he was a bastard. When the Saxons invaded they were bastards, when the vikings invaded, they were bastards, are you starting to see a pattern emerge?

However distatesful it is to many - none so more as to liberals and do gooders, the fact is part of humanity has always been warfare and biffing up some other tribe/race/country/person, its pretyy much onew of the few things are good at. bit of a flaw in the old gene, create something with one hand destroy it with another.

The stronger prospered the weaker didn't and by the way we'll have your lands as our spears are pointier that yours, thats just the way it worked then, and if the other side had won they'd have taken the land.

So to truly move on, forget everything that ever happened before. Yes I know, might as well try climbing mount everest in just your pants.

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They sided with the Nazis because of Benito fucking Mussolini. The Italians voted the twatt in just as the Krauts did to Hitler and they followed the twatt until eventually some bright spark saw the truth and the fat swaggering bastard was strung up and shot.
As for making the trains run on time it seems that he got one train to run on time which was the one taking him to Rome to see King Emanuell to be installed/promoted/given the job of political leader. Apparently he threatened to have the driver shot if he was late for his appointment.
Sounds about right for a fucking Fascist. A fat bastard one at that.

RoddersUK wrote:

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> Our present Queen is in my mind the finest Monarch that the
> world has seen since Henry the 8th. Elizabeth the first and
> Victoria along with Elizabeth the 2nd have served this nation
> well. It is just a shame that fucking politicians are fucking
> it up.

Rodders, it's a relief to hear someone actually defend QE 2.

I think she's done a fantastic job given the circumstances she finds herself born into. Many people say they detest the Queen but can't really explain why. I get the impression that dismissing the Queen is the trendy thing to do - in much the same way that someone might secretly love particular music that is considered daggy (like ABBA was in the 80's) yet have to deny any attraction to it in front of their friends.

It's not about us defending the Queen. Surely, it's about the Queen defending her subjects against the EU superstate.

Once my youthful infatuation with communism abated - during which my support for Irish rebels rather precluded much sympathy for the symbol of British rule there - I began to find in myself a lot of respect for the Queen.

Yet it is not the monarchy that is threatened with imminent destruction - it is such things as Common Law, Habeas Corpus, the presumption of innocence, the right not to be detained without trial, all the things which made an Englishman a free man.

I've not heard much from the Queen about all this. She has accepted her constitutional role, but allowed "her" ministers to hand over her real sovereign powers to the EU. While politicians are guilty of treachery, the one person who simply cannot be so charged has done nothing.

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I think you will find that the Queen is not allowed to to give vent to her feelings about the shitheads who have infested Parliament during her reign.
If we had a military coup and shot all of the twatts in Westminster and handed power back to the monarch I feel that we would be far better off. She has seen what is happening and I am convinced that she does not like what she is seeing.

"I think you will find that Queen is not allowed...."

Not allowed by who? Surely you can't be suggesting that we let the army organise a massacre in the House of Commons in order to hand power to a monarch who has never criticised her governments throughout her reign?

Perhaps they should just go ahead - taking it on trust that RoddersUK knows her mind and is "convinced she does not like what she is seeing"?

First, the Queen has to say "enough" to the politicians. Then when they threaten to abolish the monarchy, your military coup might make sense.

The Irish will vote Yes to the Lisbon Treaty tomorrow, and we will become de jure citizens of the EU superstate that we have been in de facto for a long time already.

When do you expect Her Majesty to start the ball rolling?

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Tomorrow would be fine for me.

In those days we were the most tolerant country in the World. In 1945 1000's of German POW's were brought here and to Scotland and I saw a programme where these POW's formed a choir and toured the country. Apparently, people use to fight to have them stay in their houses when they were on their tours.

Now that's tolerant to do that, after 5 years of total war.