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one eyed jack wrote:

> Yeah, haul his ass off to Australia like Britain used to do in
> the days of old...and make him row there in a slave galley
> doing it !laugh!

Our Government would probably fund his relocation expences and pay top-shelf lawyers to sue anyone who questioned his character.

Where do I buy the weedkiller and sugar from, would love a free trip back to Oz.

i make you right mate .seeing as how he is described as a former member of the BNP and not a current member the Police really need to find out which group he is a member of and ban them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

just out of interest i wonder who would of given a fuck if he had blown up the house of anyone involved in the 7/7 bombings?even Muslims and those who think they are beyond reproach must surely think that would have been a bit of poetic justice

does everyone who is found guilty have it reported in the paper what party they are involved in or vote for?

Have to agree with you mate, on most of it.
However if you are a British citizen, (though nor born there), tried and sentenced in a Chinese court and under Chinese law but just ?might? have a mental disorder, he could be innocent.
It seems if you are born in Britain and were once a member of the BNP you must be guilty of something. No questions asked. You are a bad man. Does a person who is totally sane, stay in a home where bombs he made 10 years before are stored?

Davey,

"i make you right mate .seeing as how he is described as a former member of the BNP and not a current member the Police really need to find out which group he is a member of and ban them

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -years.htm

The judge at Gavan's trial: "You had in 2007 joined the BNP, and written in your own notebooks indicating strong hostility towards immigrants in this country." Gavan was listed as a "gold" member (membership number 130757) of the BNP. Gavan himself also admitted that he was a member of the BNP. Gavan?s BNP membership had lapsed, though material related to the party was found in the room, including letters to him from the party and a copy of its magazine, Hope and Glory. Police also found bomb-making manuals, books and magazines about guns and the military and a computer file of the Anarchists? Cookbook, described as a ?how to? manual about anarchism and explosives. No trace of him joining any other organisation was found.

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"just out of interest i wonder who would of given a fuck if he had blown up the house of anyone involved in the 7/7 bombings?even Muslims and those who think they are beyond reproach must surely think that would have been a bit of poetic justice"

Me and millions of people I suspect. We do not want a race war in Britain, similar to the war between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland. A white BNP terrorist deserves to be treated in exactly the same way as a Muslim terrorist. No excuse. This is what happened to Gavan.

Of course the BNP want race war because this would polarise opinion and increase their support. This is exactly the strategy of Griffin when he drivels on about the need for a peace wall in Oldham. He is mimicking the situation that developed in Northern Ireland.

SImon Darby, the BNP spokesman stated
"It?s the inevitable consequence of enforced multiculturalism" This is the usual BNP bollocks about it is those Asians that are forcing people to do this.

And finally the dickhead BNP/lapsed BNP member, Gavan had an incorrect address for the family of one of the 7/7 bombers anyway.

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"does everyone who is found guilty have it reported in the paper what party they are involved in or vote for?"

The BNP has a long history of racism and anti-semitism. When Griffin couldnt convince Gaddafi, that well know Muslim leader, to cough up a few millions he decided that attacking Muslims would be a better bet. The BNP has a long history of having violent thugs amongst its membership, a number of whom have had convictions for racist attacks and bomb-making. So asking me why it is relevant to mention his membership of the BNP is a bit like asking me why it was relevant to mention Eichmann who was responisble for gassing Jews, was a Nazi. Stupid!

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Nice post, Dick. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not take the McEnroe line "You cannot be serious"

"However if you are a British citizen, (though nor born there), tried and sentenced in a Chinese court and under Chinese law but just ?might? have a mental disorder, he could be innocent."

To be perfectly honest not sure how relevant the analogy is between a guy who had a suitcase with heroin inside (which he denied knowing about) who a significant number of people stated in signed statements was clearly mentally ill and a bloke who proactively constructed over 50 bombs over a period of years Know what I mean?

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"It seems if you are born in Britain and were once a member of the BNP you must be guilty of something. No questions asked."

Errr. It took police and Army bomb disposal officers six days to search the room and explode some of the devices to make them safe, during which time shocked neighbours in Colbeck Terrace had to be evacuated. Police uncovered 54 explosive devices, including nail bombs, pipe bombs and a booby-trapped cigarette packet, and 12 firearms ? three of them loaded ? plus devices in whisky bottles and aerosols. There were also materials for making more devices, including fireworks, weedkiller, hydrogen peroxide and gunpowder. Gavan was also apparently in the process of building a rocket launcher. Gavan revealed he had spent years honing his skills in the hidden workshop, accumulating an arsenal of weapons over the course of a decade. Err, I think he might just have been guilty of something, dont you think?

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"You are a bad man. Does a person who is totally sane, stay in a home where bombs he made 10 years before are stored?

I look forward to your lengthy defence of the next Muslim terrorist bombmaker who comes to trial in Britain. Dick Moby "Faisel is not a bad man, he's not totally sane, he just spends too much time in his bedroom!. He's not a terrorist, he's just a naughty boy"

You may have noticed that the legal system in this country is not exactly the same as the Chinese one. In the case of the guy executed in China, there was no mental assessment carried out by the Chinese authorities.
In Britain the defence of doing something whilst not of sound mind etc etc. is a very prevalent one. Psychiatric assessments are often carried out unlike in China.

The bottom line is that white BNP terrorists need to be dealt with in exactly the same way as Muslim terrorist extremists .

Get over it!

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The man in China who had a significant amount of people sign to say he was mentally ill, can you tell me how many were medically qualified?
You obviously think a man who has been sleeping with bombs for 10 years is totally sane. In 10 years he had not used any of the devices which to me suggests that he was maybe not ?all there? Why make something and not use it? Maybe he was just waiting to perfect a mini neutron bomb and do a ?proper job?

I agree the man was guilty of possessing the bomb making equipment but since you are the expert in irony, I thought you might have spotted the ironic mention of BNP.
It seems to be the view of some on this forum that a BNP member is an illiterate thug and the lowest form of life that should be locked up for every offence, from jaywalking onwards.
Rest assured that I will not be defending any terrorist. Anybody who sets out to blow up and kill innocent people deserves to be executed. End of story.
I don?t know if the British terrorist was mentally assessed or not. Maybe you can update me on his mental health. But for some reason you seem to be quite happy with the guilty verdict.


For your information ------- I?ve got nothing to get over.

"The man in China who had a significant amount of people sign to say he was mentally ill, can you tell me how many were medically qualified?"

YOu are missing the point. There were a number of statements. Read the link and scroll down to the statements.

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/akmalshaikh

This was used to request that a psychiatric assessment should be carried out by the Chinese authorities holding Shaikh. No assessment was ever done by the Chinese. That is the point!!

"You obviously think a man who has been sleeping with bombs for 10 years is totally sane. In 10 years he had not used any of the devices which to me suggests that he was maybe not ?all there? Why make something and not use it?"

YOu are missing the point again. Nowhere do I say that Gavan was totally sane. I did not attend the trial. However, what I do know is that defences in the UK are never shy about using mental illness with regard to the defence. The onus is on you, rather than me, to say why this defence, often used, does not appear to have been used in this case. The defence of mental illness has been used in other cases of BNP bombmakers e.g. the Old COmpton Street bomber. Why do YOU think it doesn't appear to have been used in this case?

"I don?t know if the British terrorist was mentally assessed or not. Maybe you can update me on his mental health. But for some reason you seem to be quite happy with the guilty verdict."

See answer above re. his defence. I am as happy seeing a white BNP extremist bombmaker being taken off the streets as I am to see a Muslim extremist bombmaker.

What you seem to be confused about is that even if someone is found guilty of an offence due to mental illness/diminshed resposibility, its still GUILTY though the length of sentence and/or the facility they are held in can be impacted.

I hate to tell you David, but the onus is not on me to question why the defence of mental instability was not used. The court found him guilty, so I accept the decision of the court. Simple really. I just find it strange why you?re not shouting about possible mental problems. But then again he used to be a BNP supporter which, according to some, qualifies him for a straitjacket anyway. My point is ---- you seem to be unconcerned about the mental state of Terence Gavan.

The man in China was found guilty so I accept the decision. My point is ------ it was their country the offence took place in so they are entitled to deal with the case as they see fit.

"I just find it strange why you?re not shouting about possible mental problems. "

Dick this is my last post for you in this thread since we are obviously going round in circles. And you seem to be really struggling to understand the arguments.

In the case of Shaikh I assume that you have read the statements attached to the link I gave you? I repeat in case you still havent got it
the reason I "shouted" about this was that here were a number of statements suggesting that Shaikh was mentally ill and throughout his imprisonment the Chinese refused to carry out any kind of mental assessment.

"My point is ---- you seem to be unconcerned about the mental state of Terence Gavan"

You miss the point yet again. I have never stated that I am unconcerned about the mental state of Terence Gavan. In the case of Gavan, I have come across no arguments that he was mentally ill, either from people who knew him or, unlike the defence for Shaikh, by the people who defended him in court. Given that the defence of mental illness is far, far more often used in Britain than in China, I havje no reason to question the conviction.

If you have evidence from people who knew him who said he was bonkers than please provide the links.

Sorry, but I can't put it simpler than that.

As I said this is my last response to you in this thread.