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I wasn't talking about you or your father, to be fair. I was asking if you were implying it's only ever happened in the last 2-10 years or do you think there have always been individuals similar to this?

that's the point...they don't work because without qualifications and a bit of luck finding a job you enjoy, the alternative is less appealing than the dole.

Thatcher should be pleased that these 'neds' and 'chavs' aren't bothered about contributing to society. According to her it didn't exist.

True !