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Re: Racist, Max?

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:53 am
by David Johnson
Here are some questions to think about to help the old grey cells.

1. Is an individual who gives money to an Asian community project but also provides money to a project supporting white people, racist? Yes or No?

2. Is any African footballer who uses money earned in Britain to support a project in his homeland, racist? Yes or No?

3. Is any white footballer who donates money to a school he went to, which has no Asian members, racist? Yes or No?

4. Does a project aimed purely at Muslims to help prevent them joining radical Islamic groups, racist? Yes or No?

What are your answers?

D

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:09 pm
by one eyed jack
If I may interject a thought gents.

All this racist hating usually ends up coming down to the same thing: hate. Both sides think they are right and wont budge for pride etc.

I believe there are people who respond to kindness and understanding regardless of colour. I beleive a racist (be they white or any colour) can come to their senses and make up their own mind and make that change for themselves as it usually happens that way anyway and not because people are told to do so.

While I'm thinking some people must be out of their minds to want to join the BNP I am thinking there are also the types of people to want to join in the hope of either sabotaging or show the BNP we are not all cut from the same cloth in terms of opposition.

Maybe this fella in his charity wants to take the battle the other way. Just a thought. Crazy but crazier things have been done with positive results


Re: Racist, Max?

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:22 pm
by max_tranmere
1. I can only repeat: I was basing what I said on The Sun article and as this man is Asian and 'gave money on the Secret Millionaire programme to people in the Asian community' that suggests a racial dimension to his decision making therefore that makes him racist, yes. Under laws we have had for 50 years now it is not permitted to view people as being anything other than people - irrespecitve of clour, creed, or anything else. According to The Sun aritcle, this guy was doing just that.

2. No, because he is from there and is only temporarily in the UK. He is here on a work-visa and is just working and living here brielfy. If he settled here, became a full-blown Brit, would call anyone a 'racist' if they didnt regard him as afull-blown Brit, yet he still felt a closeness to people who were the same colour and background as himself - solely because they are the same colour and background as himself, then he would be a racist.

3. No, because he is not considering the race of the people at the school, he is just giving money to the school. It is by chance there are no Asian kids at the school. If he was considering giving money to the school, which was all-white when he went there, yet he is now changing his mind and deciding to not give money to it because in recent years lots of Asian pupils have joined the school, then he would be a racist because there would be a racial element to his thinking.

4. No, because there is no other ideaology in Britain that is a danger to the citizens of the country, as radical Islam is. I have not heard of Sikh suicide bombers, Christian men making their wives cover their faces when they go out, or Jews being radicalised in British jails. This is a case of something specific to one ideaology and therefore it is inevitable and right to single out muslims. Could you think of any need to try to stop any other ideology in Britain from becoming radical? There is no need. Islam has singled itself out by its behaviour therefore there is a need to target it to stop these things occuring.

OEJ

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:22 pm
by David Johnson
"While I'm thinking some people must be out of their minds to want to join the BNP I am thinking there are also the types of people to want to join in the hope of either sabotaging or show the BNP we are not all cut from the same cloth in terms of opposition".

This is the reason, the multi-millionaire, Chaudry is joining the BNP. He certainly doesn't need a cheap, one way ticket back to Pakistan.

Cheers
D

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:04 pm
by randyandy
David Johnson wrote:

> "The morons thrive on publicity so congratulations to him, the
> stun and you David for generating a bit more for them".
>
> There are some, apparently like you, who believe any publicity
> is good publicity. I am not one of them. Of course using your
> own argument, your reply has generated extra publicity for
> them.
>
> D

Actually you're wrong with your opinion bad publicity can help show the morons for what they are.

Unfortunately when the stun, whose only interest is selling their crap, gets involved it becomes win win for them.

For the bloke to believe he will affect meetings is at best deluded and will as I said just put an Asian name on the member list and give them a donation through his membership subscription.


Re: Racist, Max?

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:10 pm
by David Johnson
1. You dont answer the question, do you? Why do you appear totally unable to admit the guy has supported some white kids too? The question was not "What does the Sun say on this matter?"
2 Can you translate your answer here please. I don't understand what you are saying. The bit about whether he is on a work permit is not relevant. Does it make any difference whether the footballer is on a work permit or becomes a naturalised Brit?
3 I agree with you.
4. I dont agree with a lot of your blurb, but my answer would be No too, but for different reasons.

Cheers
D

Andy

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:23 pm
by David Johnson
So you say, I am wrong that bad publicity can show a political party like the BNP for what they really are - in other words bad publicity can have a negative effect.

Why then, do all political parties including the BNP have staff whose role it is to avoid bad publicity and get their message put across in a positive way?

D

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:44 pm
by Dick Moby
I wouldn't say joining any political party simply to antagonise them is a very good move. It's a bit like going into a lions cage with a pound of raw meat in your pocket then complaining when you get attacked. He's going there knowing he has plenty of money to sort things out if they go tits up, as they surely will. I wonder if he would be so keen to make a stand if he was skint.
If a labour supporter went to conservative meeting and started slagging off their policies I don't think it would go down very well.

Re: One for Max Tranmere

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:47 pm
by David Johnson
Agreed!