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Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:35 pm
by Dick Moby
I did not say I want Muslims to kill other Muslims. I said --- fanatic and I must say that if a Muslim wants to be a suicide bomber then I would class him as a fanatic. Such a person deserves to be taken out of circulation by whatever means necessary. If that means killing a religious zealot to save innocent lives, I'm all for it.
When you speak about fair trials, do you consider somebody is innocent because he got off because of a technicality ?
Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:41 pm
by Ogre
This is like a Monty Python sketch, kind of a sequel to the suicide squad in Life of Brian.
I'm sure most people contemplating suicide bombing will now cease such activities. After all, suicide bombing is such a trivial matter that I'm sure no one would risk their life for it.
Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:03 pm
by Sam Slater
[quote]I did not say I want Muslims to kill other Muslims.[/quote]
But Muslims issuing fatwas on other Muslims would lead to Muslims killing Muslims.......which you seemed to incline was a decent option.
[quote]Such a person deserves to be taken out of circulation by whatever means necessary. If that means killing a religious zealot to save innocent lives, I'm all for it.[/quote]
I agree to some extent, but my point is that a 'fatwa' is hardly a fair trial, is it? Do you think the Muslims carrying out these 'fatwas' will collect enough evidence and put their suspects/victims in front of a jury before killing them? I don't.
[quote]When you speak about fair trials, do you consider somebody is innocent because he got off because of a technicality ?[/quote]
Yes, they're innocent. Technicality or not (I'm thinking Gerrard getting away with assault when we all saw what he did), they MUST be given innocent first. If they got off on a technicality then the law must change and they must be retried. Maybe that 'technicality' is there to protect others? You're question is left open to lots of hypothetical scenarios where my answer could change so it's a little hard to give one to my satisfaction. We cannot judge someone guilty just because we think they got off on a technicality. 'Innocent until proven guilty' must be the first rule of law, in my opinion.
Funnily enough, the people that complain the most about Muslims not wanting to live by UK laws and customs are the sort that think it ok for some Muslims ignoring our laws and taking things into their own hands in such situations as this. Not pointing you out, here, Dick, just saying....
Me, you, rich, poor, good Muslims and fanatical Muslims.........one law to rule all. Don't you agree?
Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:40 pm
by Dick Moby
If a Muslim wants to be a suicide bomber he must take a radical side of the religion, he must therefore leave himself liable to justice by the radicals on the opposite side of the religion. His religion ----- his choice.
I agree that the law must change. I just find it strange that people with money or people who get a decent lawyer through legal aid (for whatever reason), often get off on a technicality. Not justice in my eyes.
Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:52 am
by David Johnson
Very good, Ogre.
Who needs drugs when you have this forum!
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Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:01 pm
by Dylan Devere
I heard the rates of suicide bombers had gone down since Susan Boyle first appeared on Britian's got talent- now they know what a virgin looks like they aren't so eager to get to paradise for their reward!!
Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:28 am
by justincyder
I can see a flaw in the plan far simpler than any moral debate....Right you lot, see if you kill yourselves, well we're going to kill you if you do...no wait er what we mean is...damn...cheque please!
Re: Fatwa to be issued AGAINST suicide bombers...
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:51 am
by jimslip
Re:Purely symbolic and nothing else
Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:36 am
by Deuce Bigolo
The moderate muslims have been at war with the islamic fundamentalists for decades in the islamic world so some scholar proposing a fatwa on their recruits is nothing more than pure lip service
Its sole aim is to take the heat of the moderates who reside in the West when the extremists attack
