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I think to be fair all round, no government should serve more than 2 terms. One term they seem ok, one term and a half and they are still ok, after this the arrogance starts to set in and they start to take the piss. Three terms and we are on the road to disaster.

Who can ever forget the nasty, smug face of :
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And New Labour, will be remembered by this iconic image:
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Modern governments of all pursuations seem to pursue a mild version of the famous quote of Lord Acton, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

You said:
"Had they been given the chance laws would have been introduced that would have forced the retention by ISPs of every mobile call, email, text, web site visit, and download we make............"

I believe they were already working on this and had already quietly introduced many elements under the dubious cover of anti terrorism legislation.

I notice that today, the Home Secretary revoked the licence of the company that supplies Tasers to the police. This was because under the last regime the police could more or less do anything they liked and the taser people had been simply supplying new, powerful tasers direct to the police and NOT to Home Office scientists for checking first.

This is an example of the creeping abuse of power that New Labour was not only nurturing but actually encouraging.

The iconic image for me of the last 13 years would have to be the thugs attacking and ejecting Walter Wolfgang, a refugee (and whilst we're at it, presumably asylum seeker) from Nazi Germany, at the Labour party conference in 2005. That and the police threatening him with arrest under spurious anti-terrorism laws when he wanted to return to his seat. And the threats made to the person sat next to him who objected to the assault. Says it all about the tin ear for civil liberties possessed by New Labour. Milliband has an awfully steep hill to climb before I vote Labour again.

He is a legend!

A God amonst pornographic filth!

He should be given a lifetime achievement award from the industry!

If he wasn't such an inept twat you wouldn't be watching/selling R18, it was all his doing ..... or rather not doing.

Has anyone wondered why a lot of MPs who ended up in the cabinet are lawyers?
Solicitors that I know of are too busy making oodles and oodles of dosh for themselves to worry about the country.
That must mean that those who chose the political career are too fucking bad to make a living in the law, or, more probably use their brain power to stifle the lower orders and take power for themselves.
B Liar, Straw, Howard to name just a few.

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I would certainly agree that the police were allowed to get away with far too much under Labour. The Police complaints procedure appears totally weighted in favour of the police and the recent Ian Tomlinson case in which he was basically killed by a policeman was a travesty.

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I agree with you 100% Jim

Someone once said that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

That was not against foreign powers. It was against people like Straw who attack all of our freedoms etc with bad law based on opinion poles and not on protecting the population.

I knew that Straw was the biggest danger to democracy when he was asked to Comment on the old Channel 4 program "the Girly Show". It was on question time and I think it was before the 1997 election.

As opposed to saying I dislike and choose to watch something else and think it is correct that it should be on after the watershed he went on a 5 minute diatribe saying how it was disgusting and should not be broadcast.

I am glad that new labour was booted out they deserved to lose.

Don't know whether the other two parties deserved to get into power though.

I always thought that he reminded me of Goebbles as played by Donald Sutherland in the Eagle has Landed.

Same utterly repugnant immoral attitude.


Him and his new labour people were the first steps on the way to a 1984 society.

I agree whole heartedly with this statement.

They were in power for too long as were the Conservatives before them.

By the end they ahd forgotten that they are

Government of the People for the People.

Both had become Government of the People for the Government.

RoddersUK wrote:

> Has anyone wondered why a lot of MPs who ended up in the
> cabinet are lawyers?
> Solicitors that I know of are too busy making oodles and oodles
> of dosh for themselves to worry about the country.
> That must mean that those who chose the political career are
> too fucking bad to make a living in the law, or, more probably
> use their brain power to stifle the lower orders and take power
> for themselves.
> B Liar, Straw, Howard to name just a few.
>
>

You answered your own question.

They are shit at Law. They are also egotistical maniacs who love the pomp and ceremony of office and love power and telling other people what to do.

'I always thought that he reminded me of Goebbles as played by Donald Sutherland in the Eagle has Landed.'

Sorry to have to correct you but it was Donald Pleasence playing Himmler, but you were close.
As for your comments on Straw, cant but agree.