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I bet the warmongering, rat ,couldn't believe it, when some actually reminded him of the consequenes of his actions:

Hi
I think Blair's decision to lead the country to war in Iraq was a catastrophic error of judgement. However if anyone thinks that this was all Blair's fault and without him there would have been no British involvement in the Iraq war, they are delusional.
The Tories under Ian Duncan Smith were even more hawk-like in their attitude.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/publi ... opposition

I draw your attention to one paragraph about IDS
"An ultra-hawk, IDS went even further than Blair in talking up the alleged threat from Saddam, linking it directly to the UK. In September 2002, he claimed that Iraq was developing ballistic missiles that would have "the capacity to strike most of Europe, including London".

So in short, it was a criminally wrong decision that Blair made, but would it have been any different if the Tories had been in power? Based on what senior Tory politicians were saying at the time, I very much doubt it.

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However, I presume the Tories support was influenced by them having been spoon fed the crooked MI5 data that Blair & co had cooked up, to justify his warmongering. I can't imagine a party in opposition would have independent access to such secret information, it would come via the government in power.

Anyway, you are correct Mr Historian, what the Tories may or may not have done is irrelevant. Blair and his cronies were in power and they took us to war and aided and abbetted in the deaths of 10's thousands of innocents, as well as many of our sevicemen. End of story.

"I am aware of where the torries stood on this matter.If they had been in power i would have been just as disgusted.But they were not.Labour were,and the blood is on Blairs hands."

There is no denying that Blair took us into the war and there is blood on his hands.

However bucketloads of blood are also on the hands of the Tories. If the Tories had voted against the war in the House of Commons vote as the Lib Dems did, the government would not have had a majority and would have lost the Commons vote.

139 Labour MPs rebelled against the government in that vote. One of the problems was that many of the Tories were even more hawkish over Iraq than Blair was.

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"However, I presume the Tories support was influenced by them having been spoon fed the crooked MI5 data that Blair & co had cooked up, to justify his warmongering."

In fact the Tories were even more extreme than Blair e.g. William Hague's remark in 2002 egging on Blair
"Does the Prime Minister recollect that, in the half-century history of various states acquiring nuclear capabilities, in almost every case?from the Soviet Union in 1949 to Pakistan in 1998?their ability to do so has been greatly underestimated and understated by intelligence sources at the time? Estimates today of Iraq taking several years to acquire a nuclear device should be seen in that context, and within that margin of error. Given that, and the information from defectors five years after the Gulf war, that 400 nuclear sites and installations had been concealed in farmhouses and even schools in Iraq, is there not at least a significant risk of the utter catastrophe of Iraq possessing a nuclear device without warning, some time in the next couple of years? In that case, does not the risk of leaving the regime on its course today far outweigh the risk of taking action quite soon??

I repeat. Given that 139 Labour MPs voted against Blair, if the Tories had not followed the even more extreme views of IDS and William Hague, the government won not have had a majority for the Iraq war vote. Proportionally, the Tories were far far more in favour of the Iraq war than the governments own MPS so this argument about dodgy dossiers doesnt stand up. What are you saying Jim, that the Tories were so much more gullible than the Labour MPs who voted against?


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Give me fucking strength!!!! He's back!
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I'm outta here!

"Can't be assed continuing any dialogue with you mate it's all bollocks anyway, so long!"

The pantomime dame enters stage right with her bloomers round her ankles. Mr Johnson collects his winnings having predicted a quick return of the dame and leaves to buy another pint and a packet of pork scratchings.

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Pity we can't hang the twattttt.