Well MidnightHeat, Traci Lords has just about done it.
It is illegal in her own country and many other places to possess her movies which she made when underage. In the few countries they are openly sold only a very handful (and mostly compilations) are availalable. Her only porn movie made when of age, she has succeeded in making it disappear even domestically. You can't get more magical than that. They don't exist, you can't possess them legally, so end of story...
When they can do, they will do it or will try very hard to do it. When the past "displeases" them they will try to erase the past as if it did not exist.
It was the case a long time ago with Hedy Lamarr's groundbreaking ECSTASY (1933) in which she appeared completely nude (and apparently underage). The legend goes that her husband tried (unsuccessfully) to buy back all the film prints, but alas the cat was out of the bag.
These performers believe that if they erase their names from a movie database that is the end of the story and they will be forever in peace from prying eyes/ears, but movies are movies and somebody somewhere has a copy and especially with today's internet the information will easily get around...
So instead of say their names being in 3 movie databases, and they succeeded in suppressing one of two, what have they gained in the end?
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The flawed logic seems vividly apparent to everyone all but
the plaintiffs.
Once information reaches the internet, it's pretty nigh impossible
to put the gebie back in the bottle [as, to my utter delight,
nasty dictatorships the world over have been discovering].
the plaintiffs.
Once information reaches the internet, it's pretty nigh impossible
to put the gebie back in the bottle [as, to my utter delight,
nasty dictatorships the world over have been discovering].
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: More actresses dissapearing from EGAFD
I think the fuss over, say, Lords, was actually counterproductive
outside the US- it certainly piqued my interest when I was
starting out collecting, having seen her in TV stuff such as
Stephen King's 'Tommyknockers'. It's pretty damn' easy [and
cheap] to get about 20 of her titles over this side, albeit mostly
dubbed- and if one is prepared to visit file-sharers several more
can be added, and usually with original sound.
I know the US have waved threats of statutory rape charges at
anyone even tangentially connected with l'affaire Traci but I'm
amazed that in a country so ostensibly dedicated to freedom
of speech and information that she has been so successful at
airbrushing her past in this way. I suppose it's yet another
manifestation of that thick layer of religious and ethical
conservatism that lurks never far beneath America's paper-thin
skin of liberalism....
I was intrigued too, by the rationale for iafd's maintaining Alex
Quinn's listing. AQ did a hatful of underage titles, but apparently
that''s OK, they're still for sale [albeit fairly quietly]; because
she went on to do loads of 18+ porn, everything's hunky-dory
[but we don't talk about her early career]. I originally thought the
exemption might have been beacuse she was Canadian [img]http://www.egafd.com/forum/smileys/grin.gif[/img]
Alice-in-Wonderland logic......
outside the US- it certainly piqued my interest when I was
starting out collecting, having seen her in TV stuff such as
Stephen King's 'Tommyknockers'. It's pretty damn' easy [and
cheap] to get about 20 of her titles over this side, albeit mostly
dubbed- and if one is prepared to visit file-sharers several more
can be added, and usually with original sound.
I know the US have waved threats of statutory rape charges at
anyone even tangentially connected with l'affaire Traci but I'm
amazed that in a country so ostensibly dedicated to freedom
of speech and information that she has been so successful at
airbrushing her past in this way. I suppose it's yet another
manifestation of that thick layer of religious and ethical
conservatism that lurks never far beneath America's paper-thin
skin of liberalism....
I was intrigued too, by the rationale for iafd's maintaining Alex
Quinn's listing. AQ did a hatful of underage titles, but apparently
that''s OK, they're still for sale [albeit fairly quietly]; because
she went on to do loads of 18+ porn, everything's hunky-dory
[but we don't talk about her early career]. I originally thought the
exemption might have been beacuse she was Canadian [img]http://www.egafd.com/forum/smileys/grin.gif[/img]
Alice-in-Wonderland logic......
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: More actresses dissapearing from EGAFD
midnightheat wrote:
> Pure hypocrisy or a bad attempt to steal money from people
> working hard to create a useful database.
Ah, but there's the rub.
There is a large body of opinion [ill-informed, parochial, rabidly-
prejudiced and hypocritical opinion, but we must reluctantly grant
them the right to their views] that holds that what we do is neither
useful nor desirable and, having less of a belief in democratic
virtues than us, would shut us down in eyeblink, given the chance.
It would take only a relatively small shift in UK political life
[such a shift as seems to occur naturally in human governments, as
the moral pendulum swings periodically from Augustinianism to
Pelagiansim and then back again], to provide the conditions that
would favour such an attempt.
As Tom Paine reminded us, we must at all costs hold on to our
hard-won Liberties. In the end, they're all we've got.
> Pure hypocrisy or a bad attempt to steal money from people
> working hard to create a useful database.
Ah, but there's the rub.
There is a large body of opinion [ill-informed, parochial, rabidly-
prejudiced and hypocritical opinion, but we must reluctantly grant
them the right to their views] that holds that what we do is neither
useful nor desirable and, having less of a belief in democratic
virtues than us, would shut us down in eyeblink, given the chance.
It would take only a relatively small shift in UK political life
[such a shift as seems to occur naturally in human governments, as
the moral pendulum swings periodically from Augustinianism to
Pelagiansim and then back again], to provide the conditions that
would favour such an attempt.
As Tom Paine reminded us, we must at all costs hold on to our
hard-won Liberties. In the end, they're all we've got.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: More actresses dissapearing from EGAFD
I was intrigued too, by the rationale for iafd's maintaining Alex
Quinn's listing. AQ did a hatful of underage titles, but apparently
that''s OK, they're still for sale [albeit fairly quietly]; because
she went on to do loads of 18+ porn, everything's hunky-dory
[but we don't talk about her early career]. I originally thought the
exemption might have been beacuse she was Canadian
Alice-in-Wonderland logic......
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I am not quite sure Alexandria Quinn's underage movies are openly avaiably for sale in the US. They were withdrawn when her real age was discovered, and only a handful were reissued without her scene(s) (ex: a particular title from Evil Angel) . Supposedly everyone in the industry swore they would never rehire Quinn, but she did a handful of (very dreadful) 18+ movies for a small outfit, then disappeared for a while and came back more enthusiastic than ever (anal, deep throat, she almost looked maniacal in the sex scenes). That goes to show you when there is a buck to be made, they will tend to forgot the "offences" of the past. The porn industry also swore Marc Wallice would never work in the industry again after the HIC debacle, but he did editing and even directing chores under other names up until now as far as I can determine.
Quinn's and Traci's underage movies are still considered legal in some parts of Canada, as they were legitimally given a visa certificate at the time of their submission and release and they cannot be revoked. But no additional copies can be run off. It has nothing to do with Alice-in-Wonderland logic or any Canadian sexual aberrations, it is just the way the Provincial Cinema Ratings Boards were set up.
Quinn's listing. AQ did a hatful of underage titles, but apparently
that''s OK, they're still for sale [albeit fairly quietly]; because
she went on to do loads of 18+ porn, everything's hunky-dory
[but we don't talk about her early career]. I originally thought the
exemption might have been beacuse she was Canadian
Alice-in-Wonderland logic......
==================================================
I am not quite sure Alexandria Quinn's underage movies are openly avaiably for sale in the US. They were withdrawn when her real age was discovered, and only a handful were reissued without her scene(s) (ex: a particular title from Evil Angel) . Supposedly everyone in the industry swore they would never rehire Quinn, but she did a handful of (very dreadful) 18+ movies for a small outfit, then disappeared for a while and came back more enthusiastic than ever (anal, deep throat, she almost looked maniacal in the sex scenes). That goes to show you when there is a buck to be made, they will tend to forgot the "offences" of the past. The porn industry also swore Marc Wallice would never work in the industry again after the HIC debacle, but he did editing and even directing chores under other names up until now as far as I can determine.
Quinn's and Traci's underage movies are still considered legal in some parts of Canada, as they were legitimally given a visa certificate at the time of their submission and release and they cannot be revoked. But no additional copies can be run off. It has nothing to do with Alice-in-Wonderland logic or any Canadian sexual aberrations, it is just the way the Provincial Cinema Ratings Boards were set up.
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Ah, so they've wiped AQ's early scenes like they did Traci's?
Reading between iafd's forum lines I had assumed this was not
the case... it does annoy me that iafd don't even see fit to
mention such wholesale removal in Traci's [and now, it seems,
in AQ's] case- it seems a tad disingenuous just to put a note
in her bio detailing an approximate starting age [how many iafd
visitors bother to read this sort of info?], and then leaving
people to work it out for themselves- but then everyone remotely
concerned seems perfectly happy to let sleeping dogs lie.
Ah, well- there are more important things to get excited about.
It's enough that I know.
Reading between iafd's forum lines I had assumed this was not
the case... it does annoy me that iafd don't even see fit to
mention such wholesale removal in Traci's [and now, it seems,
in AQ's] case- it seems a tad disingenuous just to put a note
in her bio detailing an approximate starting age [how many iafd
visitors bother to read this sort of info?], and then leaving
people to work it out for themselves- but then everyone remotely
concerned seems perfectly happy to let sleeping dogs lie.
Ah, well- there are more important things to get excited about.
It's enough that I know.
"a harmless drudge, that busies himself in tracing the original, and detailing the
signification...."
signification...."
Re: More actresses dissapearing from EGAFD
Well
In my original first post, the "edited by moderator" actress (I'm NOT going
to repeat her name, no worries moderator), has successfully REMOVED
TONS of pictures of her on the internet.
If one googles her name (which ... I'm not repeating), her pictures reside
only on russian and burgarian sites (where mafia rules).
She's done it.
Ofcourse some kind of deletion info in the forums would be appreciated.
In my original first post, the "edited by moderator" actress (I'm NOT going
to repeat her name, no worries moderator), has successfully REMOVED
TONS of pictures of her on the internet.
If one googles her name (which ... I'm not repeating), her pictures reside
only on russian and burgarian sites (where mafia rules).
She's done it.
Ofcourse some kind of deletion info in the forums would be appreciated.
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beutelwolf
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Re: More actresses dissapearing from EGAFD
alec wrote:
> We do, but sometimes the names have to be removed as well and
> there is no useful alias. See above - it's not worth the
> hassle.
>
> >
> > Do you maybe suggest this as a compromise first
>
> Yes.
>
> > or do you
> > immediatly remove the name when you get a request.
So, what about candela's suggestion to re-introduce them under RBR-numbers? These would become the "useful aliases". I much rather have an honest RBR017 alias for someone who doesn't want to be named than one of those isn't-the-name-she-normally-uses abominations, especially if that fact remains hidden.
This keeps the anonymity of the performer but it preserves the integrity and (aim for) completeness of the database.
> We do, but sometimes the names have to be removed as well and
> there is no useful alias. See above - it's not worth the
> hassle.
>
> >
> > Do you maybe suggest this as a compromise first
>
> Yes.
>
> > or do you
> > immediatly remove the name when you get a request.
So, what about candela's suggestion to re-introduce them under RBR-numbers? These would become the "useful aliases". I much rather have an honest RBR017 alias for someone who doesn't want to be named than one of those isn't-the-name-she-normally-uses abominations, especially if that fact remains hidden.
This keeps the anonymity of the performer but it preserves the integrity and (aim for) completeness of the database.
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FWIW, I totally agree with both candela and beutelwolf.
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midnightheat
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I totally agree with you Len, about Tracy Lords we're talking about breaking the law so we can't complain..but how many like her?
The matter is quite different, 98% of them were adult and had a brain (I guess so), with freedom of choice, without breaking the law and most important thing was the fact that they knew were making movies for the mass not amateur ones for their boyfriends or husbands.
I'd say take it easy. living in fear of being discovered like a fugitive is not that nice.
The matter is quite different, 98% of them were adult and had a brain (I guess so), with freedom of choice, without breaking the law and most important thing was the fact that they knew were making movies for the mass not amateur ones for their boyfriends or husbands.
I'd say take it easy. living in fear of being discovered like a fugitive is not that nice.