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Len801 wrote:

> IAFD indicates she is "French/Thai". I don't know where that
> comes from, as she speaks pretty good italian (funny
> accent/dialect, but good italian nonetheless). What gives?

Given that this title is a gonzo video, possibly Giorgio is asking her where she's from prior to sex. IAFD editors can't make up such a thing by themselves.

Len801 wrote:

> But since ITALIAN WHORE POV seems to be an Italian production,
> is there a reason it should not be in EGAFD database?

It's mainly a 'producers vs. labels' issue. Denys DeFrancesco is French, based in Budapest (with co-producers in Prague), and works almost exclusively with European talent except some Brazilian studs but his work was avoided because it was released by Swank Digital label. However, Hot Legs & Feet was released by his proper DDF Productions label and included. Likewise, Giorgio currently works for the label Combat Zone, excluding his Italian releases by Il Barone. Uplifting the label criterion may result in a boom of admissable titles such as most of Evil Angel titles (Rocco, Nacho, CC, Raul) and a majority of recent releases by Devil's Film and Sineplex-Sinsational-Sinterracial-Sin.....

I have tried contacting Giorgio Grandi for clarification. If I hear from him I will let you know.
However, Valentina in INCESTI ITALIANI #11 seems to be speaking very good Italian, this and besides the fact that we now have discovered at least two italian titles to her name, it is somewhat strange she would be tagged as being french-thai.
I did not suggest IAFD invents the information, but sometimes we do not know who contributes the information contained in that database. Since she alsready used two-three diffirent names, it could be Valentina may have worked under other names as well.
With regards to nationality of films, it is just as hard to make a determination with mainstream movies as it is with hc movies. In mainstream cinema, you may have 4-5 companies from different countries who participate in the financing and production of a movie. The director may be american, the shooting could be in Toronto, and partly financed by a French outfit, german, etc. Sometimes this is done for tax considerations. This has on occasion even befuddled the Oscars in disqualifying certain movies because of some esoteric determination they have as to the country of origin of a particular movie.
When you come down to it, when the director is of a certain country (Grandi), the girls also italian as in the case of ITALIAN WHORE POV, what else can you make of it?
A lot of Fanelli movies carry an english title, and are frequently released in the US by H2Video/Hustler. Are they american, italian (even if they are shot in Budapest)?
And what of MGR communications? They shoot in eastern Europe with a mixed cast. Are these film Italian, Hungarian, what?
Rocco Siffredi has been making movies in Hungary for the past little while, in English, with mostly Euro performers. The fact that they are distributed in the US by Evil Angel or that you hear English on the soundtrack does not make them american. Excluding them from EGAFD is in my view incorrect. Private used to be house in Scandinavia, yet they were shooting films all over the place, then they movied to Spain (apparently for tax reasons). The movies carry an english title and are dubbed in a number of languages since the performers are from all the place, and sometimes the performers speak english. Are they american movies? Not by a long shot.
Devil's Film has been releasing for quite some time movies that have been obviously shot there with euro performers. Are they euoropean or american? Just because they are sold off to Devil's Film, does not make them american in my view.
I believe at some point you have to go with what is overwhelming and obvious and exclude only what is seemingly American (an american outfit that goes and shoot a movie in Europe, with american and foreign performers).

Len801 wrote:

> I did not suggest IAFD invents the information, but sometimes
> we do not know who contributes the information contained in
> that database.

On the contrary, IAFD often employs Occam's razor in such cases. They'd go for a simple Italian - 'Caucasian' if they didn't have a hint on her origins.


> Private used
> to be house in Scandinavia, yet they were shooting films all
> over the place, then they movied to Spain (apparently for tax
> reasons).

And they didn't stop there. They are now registered in Cyprus.


> I believe at some point you have to go with what is
> overwhelming and obvious and exclude only what is seemingly
> American (an american outfit that goes and shoot a movie in
> Europe, with american and foreign performers).

The practicality of excluding American releases is that they already have their proper databases (IAFD, AFDB, IMDB). The primary purpose of the EGAFD is to deal with films that stay untouched by Americans. Nevertheless, each individual film in grey area should be treated on its own right, I agree.

EBI lists just about every title under the sun, even though they restrict themselves to eastern European performers/models.
IMDB lists everything about a performer (well to the extent that they do) be it mainstream or hard core.
IAFD used to restrict itself only to movies released in the USA (whether it was american or imported from overseas). Now more and more they are listing euro titles, even though they have received NO american release.
The british BGAFD lists Euro and American titles.
The only present hold-out seems to be EGAFD.
We have had this discussion in the past, and I do not make policy for EGAFD. But then when you you read the full title of the database name it clearly deals with european performers database. So if a Euro performer has shot a movie in Budapest, Italy, or France, by a local crew, and it was sold to an American distributor, why can't it be included in EGAFD? Is she or is she not European?
Where I would really draw the line is if the european performer (say Katsumi for example) were to go work in Los Angeles and appear in movies produced/financed and distributed there, then those are distinctly American productions. But if Katsumi were to star in a Rocco Siffredi movie shot in Europe, then in my view that movie is European.

I contributed to list that film in iafd. The information about Lucrezia comes from me and I can say that French/Thai concerns her origins. Lucrezia, who speaks italian with a french accent but anyway a very good italian, is interviewed by Giorgio Grandi who asks her why that accent and she answers "sono met? francese met? tailandese", half french, half thai. So we can deduce she's italian but daughter of french and thai parents.

Len801 wrote:

> EBI lists just about every title under the sun, even though
> they restrict themselves to eastern European performers/models.

EBI is a separate case. It focuses on 'babes', not films. Their inclusion criteria are mostly governed by 'personal tastes' of administrators and contributors and they are usually concerned with Internet porn rather than DVD releases.

> IAFD used to restrict itself only to movies released in the USA
> (whether it was american or imported from overseas). Now more
> and more they are listing euro titles, even though they have
> received NO american release.

However, they still keep the habit of listing Europan productions with their English title in case they have an American release and in the name of relevant US distributors, showing that their primary approach is to list titles more accessible to American consumers.

To speak for myself, I'm more concerned with rather neglected areas of European pornography. Any Internet user who wants to have information on a European performer who appears in American productions/releases will possibly prefer IAFD over EGAFD anyway.

Texxx, I'm happy that your information confirms my assumption. It would be more reasonable to assume that she's a French girl with a Thai parent (possibly mother) and settled/working in Italy. Maybe she's Marayat Bibidh's daughter. Who knows? !grin!

By the way, Fausto Bertinotti has a peculiar accent too. Is he also half-Thai?

This could all have been said before, when I posted her pic and asked about her.
Nonetheless, at the beginning of INCESTI ITALIANI #11, when she is lying on her bed practically in tears and in voice-over comments how she is being abused by her father, she has a decidedly strange accent and pronounces her "r's" in the way some italians from upper part of Italy speak. That is why I found the French-Thai ethnic backgroung stated in IAFD a bit strange.