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Re: Becoming a star

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:12 pm
by Len801
Perhaps the majority of people who frequent this site and discussion forum hail
from Europe and are more grounded in European porn fare and are more familiar with
the porn scene there. I don't know if there are real insiders here who hide their identity well.
My real understanding of Euro porn is rather more limited.
At lot of Euro porn (then and now) is plot driven, as ridiculous and illogical as those plots may be.
Mostly it is produced on the cheap.
I noticed a big shift in France in the last decade or so. France has shifted to condom-only scenes
and much of it is of the "amateur" or "pro-am" type.
Italy hardly produces anything of any high
quality in its own territory and prefers for whatever economic or tax purposes to shoot elsewhere
with foreign performers.
I have no clue what goes on in Germany these days.
Eastern Europe produces to a certain extent for outsiders or for local large outfits like DDF and
21Sextury (the latter offering more extreme and offbeat fare). I am given to understand that it
has become more difficult to produce porn in Russia and its bordering countries.
In the US more sutff is produced for websites than actual DVD movie releases.
Budgets are relatively small and only large outfits like Wicked produce what may be termed
as "high-quality product" (although with condom). The big player of a few years ago (DP) which used to make
very expensive movies has practically disappeared with its roster of contract
performers all let go in one way or another. Hustler and Vivid no longer are
putting out material. Vivid only seems to chase after "celebrity sex tapes".
As movie budgets shrink so do performers' salaries and income, and many have turned turn to escorting.

A number of (US) performers have been turning to cam shows and selling video clips on sites like Clips4Sale.
No one seems to have an answer how to survive and overcome this slump.
As Riot has pointed out it is quite evident a lot of product seems to be coming from the web
rather than traditional production, sale and distribution of DVD's. Video stores
in North America have practically disappeared, and DVD sales have shrunk. What they were content
to sell 3,000-4,000 copies of a DVD title only a couple of years ago now it is only
a fraction. BluRay and 3D in porn never really took off, and with the economic world slump no one
is willing to produce and consumers unwilling to buy such high-priced product.

With this glum outlook on the porn scene it is rather difficult to have a serious
discussion as to what elevates a porn performer into a porn superstar.
I believe those days are long gone. Not because they (performers) aren't there, but the whole
porn structure no longer exists to support such extravagance: the big outfits that would
sign up someone like a Jenna Jameson to multi-year contracts and big cash outlays,
with a big marketing machine and large DVD or cable sales. Most porn performers are
making perhaps half if not less than what a porn performers was earning (per scene)
say only 2-5-8 years ago.

Re: Becoming a star

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:33 pm
by DaveWolf
European porn simply tops anything else the USA puts out.....period. Even the Islamic State Organization could top the USA with their own porn, if they want to (just kidding here ;)).
It's because we have more sensual women, here in Europe, the movies are plot-driven, and anything is natural....made with passion.
Debora Coeur, Luana Borgia, Moana Pozzi, Rocco Siffredi, Alessandra Schiavo, and many other euro babes whose names I don't recall now, simply put sensuality in all the scenes they made.
USA porn is boring. You watch a scene, turn to another one,and you always see the same set, the same couches, the same walls, and the same banging all over again. It becomes nauseaous after awhile. Much like those annoying Apple advertising.
And I rather go out with an escort, then fap and waste my time with clips from amateurish XXX Tube sites and pay-per-view. Now these sites even offer the possibility, like Facebook, to even comment and interact with users (about what, btw??)
Seriously, to be honest, i pretty much liked porn back in the '90's, when it still was conservative (you only watched it on either DVD or VHS), and not annoyingly put on every damn Internet link.
With all the rubbish junk porn there's today, made from amateurs and social websites junkies, I would rather go live in a country where porn is strictly forbidden, then watch and waste my time with that crap. I mean, c'mon.
Why they even bother to put out something that's not sensual or attractive to watch?? These people, in my opinion, should just change jobs and forget about porn, if they're all after moneys.
Or better, hire people from Europe, both males and females and start shooting stuff like back in the days, if they still want to survive.
Otherwise, I don't think many people will still be buying their movies.

Re: Becoming a star

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:15 pm
by Len801
Sorry DaveWolf, I strongly disagree with much of what you have posted.
=European porn better than US porn? Not in the 1970's, not in the 1980's, not in the 1990's,
and definitely not now. Explain why so few US female (and male) performers have worked in Europe,
versus Euro female performers working in the US. If European porn and filmmaking was so great and far superior
why did these girls need to go work in the US? Perhaps you can ask them, ask Katsumi, ask Manuel Ferrara,
ask why even Siffredi made his mark in the US. Try to compare his Italian output in the 1990's with his US work
of that same period.

=Are the Euro female performers better looking than their US counterparts? I grant you many
from Eastern Europe (Hungary, Czech Republic, etc) are very very attractive and are willing to do nasty things,
but they come off rather distant and coldish in their sex scenes.

=And I don't follow your concept that (euro?) plot-driven porn movies are necessarily better. Better in what way?

=Locations better in Euro plot-driven movies? Are you serious? A dark room, an horribly colored couch
in a corner, a cramped toilet does not a good location make. Yes European cities have nice hotels, mansions, villas,
small castles, but for the most part the locations used for the average movie is dreadful.

All in all, I hardly see what that has to do with the OP's first post and subsequent comments.
I don't believe we are really comparing US and Euro porn. Onlty to the extent of what makes a porn performers
really popular and famous in either continent.

Re: Becoming a star

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:50 am
by jj
Len801 wrote:
> =European porn better than US porn? Not in the 1970's, not in
> the 1980's, not in the 1990's, and definitely not now.
Really? REALLY? That's a sweeping statement to make without adducing any
evidence [and in any case it will only ever boil down to a matter of taste/
opinion]. And let''s bear in mind that since the 90s the US industry has been
to an increasing degree employing the influx of Euro talent.
Europe gave the US Private/Rocco, etc. [double-edged swords, I know]; the
US gave us Max Hardcore and Ed Powers.


> Explain why so few US female (and male)
> performers have worked in Europe, versus Euro female performers
> working in the US.
Simple. As with other areas of endeavour, money and job-opportunities.
But budget does not equate to excellence, as a quick look at Hollywood's
history shows. Combine that with good old American parochialism - 60%
don't even have passports....


> =Are the Euro female performers better looking than their US counterparts?
> .... but they come off rather distant and coldish in their sex scenes.
There are as many American planks as Euro ones. At least the Euro ones
make no bones about being there for the money. And it's still possible to
find Euro girls without ink and metal.


> =Locations better in Euro plot-driven movies? Are you serious?
> .... but for the most part the locations used for the
> average movie is dreadful.
The latter could apply to either continent.



> I don't believe we are really comparing US and Euro porn.
Agree. This is a side-issue.