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The money point is certainly valid, but the other side is also true....these girls are often stunning, lack the 'attitude' of some Western gals, and carry considerably less intrinsic ironmongery and 'artwork'.

Attitude? For fucks sake JJ! They get paid less than a paperboy!

Or have I missed the irony? Not the ironwork.

Cor Blimey, the educated mob has risen up with arms flailing in the night!!!

In my defence:

We went to a place which is in another time zone from Moscow, not telling you all where, because we don't want to bump into you guys when we go next!!!!

Sure model fees are lower....but it cost an arm and a leg to get there and stay there and employ fixers and interpreters.....and it is not at all glamorous, indeed dangerous. And you have to have a crap standing up in a public area into a hole in the ground...and that is the main internal airport no less!!! Might appeal to some of you I am sure...and no it isn't purchasable on film!

The real reason was to try and do something a bit original with some good looking femmes who enjoy sex rather than do it just for the dosh. Girls who weren't jaded, girls who haven't done nineteen previous shoots, and more than anything girls who don't say "Ello, my name's Traci, I cum from Marnchester and I'm reeeali sexy...." before revealing a bad boob job a duff tattoo and a blistered navel ring with an imitation emerald in it."

I can say hand on heart that in the late seventies and eighties when I was casting for various things including the Electric Blue stuff that I would rather talk a girl out of doing hardcore than coerce one into doing it. I remember giving one girl from Sweden fifty quid and leather jacket and sending her on her way. I am no saint believe me.....but you have to have personal rules....I never saw her published anywhere so maybe I helped...or conversely maybe I sent her to a life under the arches at Kings Cross...who knows....."

The other point that has just occurred to me worthy of mention is that we should try not to ever discourage anyone who thinks they can become a porn star if they want to......it doesn't necessarily mean that we have to help them do it, merely send them somewhere else if they don't fit our own particular standards or parameters.

Call me old fashioned.....it is just the way I am.....this could explain why I have variously ended up living with a string of beautiful and sometimes well-known, and international women.

It is because I actually like and respect women and ultimately they can tell that and it reflects in the work.

As for money and tax and all of that stuff mind you own business. Ye who casts the first stone etc.

Spot on JJ, not only are they beautiful they have a positive attitude as well. I'll never forget when Lana Cox came to visit, not only was she one of the most beautiful women I have met she had beautiful manners to match - taking care to ask (in her exotic accent) if she should "go outside to smoke my cigarette. It will be no trouble." "Don't be silly Lana" I retorted. I must admit I was bowled over - what a genuine class act she is.

Ace and Magoo seem a little sceptical that the financial benefits of shooting eastern block girls are not the foremost thing on my mind. Well, I can't speak for my colleagues but in my case it's true. The most important thing to me is that they are stunners and that they will wow the punters. That wow factor is so sadly lacking now and is such a precious commodity that I for one am quite prepared to pay top dollar for it.

What makes you think we don't pay tax? I have the piss taken 2-3 times when I go fill the motor up. In addition porno colleagues who smoke have the piss taken every time they light up. Furthermore, I don't know anyone who doesn?t pay some kind of tax on their main incomes and all my immediate porno pals are well skint.

Dr No - he's too nice to be a top criminal.

Funny how this is titled UKSTUDS/BEN DOVER and Lindsey hasn't entered into the fray....perhaps he is abroad trying to find a substitute for the mingers.

Have to agree on Lana....she is lovely, and intelligent, don't take no shit, has a good solid and business minded husband working along side her and has organised herself into a great little business where she does what she wants when she wants.

"The real reason was to try and do something a bit original with some good looking femmes who enjoy sex rather than do it just for the dosh. Girls who weren't jaded, girls who haven't done nineteen previous shoots, and more than anything girls who don't say "Ello, my name's Traci, I cum from Marnchester and I'm reeeali sexy...." before revealing a bad boob job a duff tattoo and a blistered navel ring with an imitation emerald in it."

I feel I must proclaim Lord John as a man of true vision and perception. I was begging to think that I was the only one had noticed the 'crap Traci' phenomena. I was beginning to think that like the little lad who couldn't see the Emperor?s new togs I couldn't see these 'Tracis' as being the slightest bit appealing or attractive, but yet they were being fated and gushed over by some on this forum. I began to have doubts - Maybe I was divi and they were right? Hmmm. But no! It seems others have seen the light too! It is a real phenomena. So, keep up the good work your Lordship.

Dr No.

a gentle reminder: .

unless, of course, you're so repulsed by the subject of british womanhood in general, that you can't overcome your distaste for the subject matter...

The last I heard on the old pono grapevine is that he seemed to have taken the huff, because punters and distributors were no longer beating a path to his door and prostrating themselves on the threshold of Dover Towers! I get the impression that he doesn?t understand why this is. But here's a clue. I haven't watched a BD video for some years now (they were great up to about volume10 before they started going down the nick with ropey birds) but taking to porn fans and other producers who have seen the more recent stuff it seems even they have been disgusted with the quality of recent girls and appalled at their apparent on camera 'Rocco style' treatment. It's a shame. Lindsey?s done some great porno work - but mostly before he even thought of the BD concept.

Dr No.

I totally agree....things all went wrong when he started banging em himself.....or at least owned up to it on film.....but lets not harang one of the genre's great creators....a master of the craft.....good luck to Ben and all connected with him. Don't forget how many other gonzo's he has spawned....he should get an OBE....at least

Why not Sir Ben Dover.

What is the source for your seemingly excellent knowledge of comparative pay-rates?