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[quote]As for not being convinced about IPTV can you state your reasons please? [/quote]

IPTV isnt going to go mainstream for many many years, the infastructure to support it simply isnt in place for it to be as transparent as TV, which is where it needs to be for it to be successfull, regardless of what the IPTV crew will tell you (and they have been telling people its comming every year, for x amount of years).

When it magically does, do you really believe that people with a limited disposable income are suddenenly change there spending habits and start PAYING to watch porn, or do you think they will just carry on downloading it for free........especially as by the time IPTV is ready to launch mainstream, the lines will be so much faster that they can pratically download a movie in a few minutes.

Today i have a cheap (just less than ?150) box which is small, silent (no fans) has 500gb of space and plays all my movies that i have downloaded, straight to my HDTV set, with a small nice useable UI via remote control........What does IPTV offer me, porn wise that i dont already have?

It sounds like you have an IPTV box right there Twingo. You've described the new boxes. You sure you havent got it already?

As for the porn aspect you will soon have the option to watch all kinds of porn from all four corners of the earth for a lot cheaper than a dvd.

If it takes off as well as I think it will be huge because this is the next phase of Bill Gates "paper less office" (I believe it was Bill Gates that led the way with all this IPTV stuff in the first place)

Besides the porn I know I'm interested in it simply because it offers a lot more beyond porn. Thats why i think it will catch on. You say there is no infrastructure...I say there is no infrastructure as we know it yet.

While we are posting on this thread a lot more companies are quietly getting on investing in its future from main stream film companies, local councils (yes check and see if your local council has signed up) I hear talk about Barnet are panning their own IPTV channel (whoop-de-doo you might say) Private are investing heavily in IPTV with the biggest audience in France so far it seems.

I'm sure the whizz kids out there wil be able to crack drm streaming but the point is with product being available so cheaply, when you want it who would want to clutter up their living rooms with some poorly packaged dvd copies that are going to cost more than what you can get them for.

Even X Box are going to be doing streaming movies soon which is another smack in the mouth to the street pirates in the future. Heaven forfend they may have to find normal day time jobs then.

Realistically though I can agree with your pessimism as it sounds like something that is too good to be true but time will tell, word of mouth and all that and plus you can get it on the internet.

Can someone give me a better reason why you think it will never catch on?

In ten years time, the younger generation of today will be doing live broadcasts in their bedroom. This is just the next stage up from webcams when it becomes more affordable like mini dv cameras opened up the market for the average man to make his own movies.

Hundreds of channels are all ready lined up rearing to go.

What are people going to say in 5 years time when they missed the boat because of something they dont fully understand?

Mind you its not that I didnt expect to hear doubting Thomases and negative comments here. I mean who comes to these forums to read positive comments these days eh?

Theres too many big companies getting involved that it has to work and what will people be looking for when they have watched some obscure channel about underwater ice hockey or behind the scenes of some first division football club, some movie or whatever...They're gonna be looking for the thing that made the internet what it is today and when they see its going to be hardcore action...Well I'll let you think about the rest.

Where you one of those that thought the internet would never catch on 10 years ago? Porn made that too and it will evolve into something else.

I really think this is the next step.

I share your optimism Terry about IPTV but as it is still a few years off we are stuck with what we have now ie: the internet which is good ,or dvds which is not so good because of the restrictions on distribution, whats the betting that by the time IPTV becomes maistream the goverment would have made it illegal to watch porn on your tv unless you go to a sex shop and purchase a dvd to view it from, of course you could always go to your local bootsale or down the pub to get a copy !wink!

Wrist Action TV is going to be launched soon, so we shall see how quick it picks up. I reckon if it gets anywhere its going to be a lot sooner than you think.

Well at least I hope so.

[quote]It sounds like you have an IPTV box right there Twingo. You've described the new boxes. You sure you havent got it already?[/quote]

Lets hope not . IPTV has to be real time streaming for it to pick up any kinda traction.....if its simply a case of downloading a movie to the box and then it plays on TV, then you can forget it, as it will be no different to downloading it free and watching it on a media center box.

[quote]As for the porn aspect you will soon have the option to watch all kinds of porn from all four corners of the earth[/quote]

From a technical point of view that means you open it up to anybody advertising there channel from any country, regardless of how good there connectivity is, or how good the peering is between countries/isp's. It only takes a few of these channels and you will already start having IPTV get a bad name, due to pauses, dropped frames etc etc.

From a consumer point of view, that means i have a much wider selection of goods to choose from and given the higher production values and in general better percieved quality of US based porn, why would i choose almost any of the brit porn, barring a few clips. Dont get me wrong, theres some awesome brit porn available, but how i would i know to pick that over the thousands of other videos that would be available.

[quote]While we are posting on this thread a lot more companies are quietly getting on investing in its future from main stream film companies, local councils[/quote]

Wake me up when the people who will actually have the biggest say in the future of IPTV (the ISP's) sign up to it and do so with the financial backing and support totally open systems, so that there not protecting there own TV/IPTV solutions. Until you get them on board, streaming IPTV is not going anywhere fast.

[quote]I'm sure the whizz kids out there wil be able to crack drm streaming[/quote]

A big reason why some people, especially first adopters (who are needed) will simply be turned off by it. If large companies like google video etc etc cant do it right, what chance does a small independant company have. Do you know what happens to your legally purchased DRM videos when google turned off there video service.......thats right, they stopped working, never to be played again. Same thing for the recently closed DRM Music store......the music wouldnt play anymore.

[quote]Even X Box are going to be doing streaming movies soon which is another smack in the mouth to the street pirates in the future[/quote]

Right.......i can purchased a video with a 24 hours viewable period only and signficantly lower quality that DVD (2hr movie is approx 1.6GB on MS 360 Site) for ?3.50. Or i could purchase 2-3 that i can watch whenever for the same price of dodgy geezer. Im not condoning piracy, but for the people who will purchase copies, the 360 streaming isnt going to affect them.

[quote]Hundreds of channels are all ready lined up rearing to go.[/quote]

Thats what ive been hearing for the last 2 years.......

[quote]What are people going to say in 5 years time when they missed the boat[/quote]

The boat will still be there, if IPTV is a massive success by then, what steps will there be to stop newcomers ......none

[quote]Theres too many big companies getting involved that it has to work[/quote]

AT&T couldnt get it work properly on there own network with out enough issues that it basically became a flop, they have signficantly higher bandwidth/money/infastructure.

[quote]Can someone give me a better reason why you think it will never catch on?[/quote]

Its not that i dont think it will catch on, its just its not going to happen half as fast as people would like. Going back to infastructure and ISP's input, AT&T's iptv system (lightspeed/Uverse) had small problems that meant every minute it would lose approximately 2 packets of video footage and the consumer end, this meant that approx half a second of video footage would be lost. There was massive uproar about it and AT&T lost a lot of face over the incident.......Do you really think that today, there is any provider that can deliver a high quality stream to few thousand clients and guarantee that it will be flawless, because thats exactly what is needed for IPTV to succeed. Without the ISP's help, this isnt going to happen and look at the UK, you have BT/Virgin Media as practically the only ISP's, both have there own TV/IPTV/PPV interests.....its in there best interests finacially that IPTV doesnt take off, unless its using there own closed system. Otherwise they have a massive strain bandwidth wise on there network backbones, for which there getting no money from.

You present your answers well Twingo. I'm still optimistic until proved otherwise. If I'm wrong about this I wil be the first to put my hands up but for now I'm determined in being part of a nucleus in making it work.

Wrist Action Tv is going to be on The Play TV UK network so I will keep you all in the loop as things progress.

All is explained,well maybe !confused!

What a load of goats balls.

Maybe the industry should clean up it's own act before tackling piracy?

How about stopping these little forums that try and get people together where they all agree on paying the same rates to models, thus trying to keep the model fees as low as possible?

How about stopping lard arses setting up websites for girls and then ripping the girls off?

How about stopping filming for companies where the owner only books girls that will suck his cock on cue?

When pigs stop shitting near their own food, only then can they seriously complain about the smell from the sheep pen.

Sam Slater wrote:

> What a load of goats balls.
>
> Maybe the industry should clean up it's own act before tackling
> piracy?
>
> How about stopping these little forums that try and get people
> together where they all agree on paying the same rates to
> models, thus trying to keep the model fees as low as possible?
>
> How about stopping lard arses setting up websites for girls and
> then ripping the girls off?
>
> How about stopping filming for companies where the owner only
> books girls that will suck his cock on cue?
>
> When pigs stop shitting near their own food, only then can they
> seriously complain about the smell from the sheep pen.
>
planeterotica wrote:

The way you are sounding off here Sam you could be one of those pirates !wink! actually my gripe is against the goverment for their draconian laws on how porn can be distributed which encourages piracy, and as for fixing rates the British porn industry is mainly made up of individuals who negotiate the rates with the models when they book them and any figures that you may have seen as rates are merely guidelines.

Sorry if my post sounded like it was directed at you graham. For the record, it most definitley wasn't. !thumbsup!