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Hi Simon,

Great image of Valentina mate, I would say its very stylish and I can appreciate the effort you put into your photography being a mere 'amateur' when it comes to doing my own content! I'm gonna knock one out to that now, so that answers your question I think mate! lol

Andy Mann

Actually if you are very rich or titled and decide to make porn, it is possible to cross the chasm from " Disgusting sleazebag" to "Purveyor or Erotica" or "Artist". I remember about 10 years ago reading a double page spread in the Sunday Times magazine, with a picture of a toff standing outside a stately home. Others may know who it was,I can't remember, but anyway the article grovingly described how this chap was going to teach us simpletons of porn, a lesson on how to make "Erotica" and he was going to be the standard bearer of the "New Way" in porn. I wonder what happened to him? !flush! ? Or maybe not?

as in 'Fucking Art', or 'TArt' as in 'Titty Art'

Dont get me started on life drawing matty P

This is where you find people feel farmore comfortable drawing old mena nd women because the wrinkles make the subject look more interesting.

Nah, its just everyone is scared of getting wood if its a fit 20 something student girl modelling is all.

I think it definitely says something about our mentality in the western world when it comes to nudity and how funny we are at the mere sight of a womans naked breast.

Mind you the girls used to hide behind their canvass and have a good giggle because they saw the models willy. Even then I shook my head in disbelief.

Why do women laugh at mens willies anyway? I guess dicks swanging does make some men look..well daft

Art cannot possibly have any real value if it doesn't have something to say about the 'causes and conditions' of individual suffering. If so, the artist would be someone who strives with some degree of success to get at the root of his own dissatisfaction. Anything he then produced would reflect this greater understanding, whether his intention is to educate or not. Personally I think most 'so called' art is ballocks.
Pornography must clearly be ballocks as well, since no amount of wanking, leering, lusting, or whatever, can get at the root of one's own dissatisfaction. It's just a temporary quick fix, like cocaine, in fact, cocaine and sex should be grouped together in every thesaurus.

Surely it should be called 'Phart'? As in Photographic Art?

No you are probably right, it will never catch on.......

Art is porn that was made before Camera's were invented.

Now the government Pays millions for it through Museums for example the three graces :

I was in the National Gallery in Edinburgh and there was a picture of a middle aged man wearing a loin cloth breast feeding from a 20 yearold woman.

It was from the Renaissance and worth a fortune.

The National Gallery of Scotland is now tryinng to raise ?100 million to keep two Ticians in the Uk.

But in porn terms please look at the following

Sorry I have no idea how to make the links clickable.

But all of the "Art" below I feel that nost of them are historic porn.

1: Three Graces

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... e_view.jpg

http://srs.dl.ac.uk/arch/cost-g8/images ... graces.jpg

http://3aka.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/3-graces.jpg

2 poissin

http://donbarone.selfip.net/Poussin%20Thumbs%206.htm

If I made this pic it would be porn Since it was made by Titian it is art

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/ ... _popup.jpg

Various other pics

http://homepage.mac.com/zichi/.Pictures ... titian.jpg

http://www.oilpaintingshop.com/rembrandt/32.jpg

http://donbarone.selfip.net/Poussin%20P ... ersion.jpg

http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/v ... index.html

http://www.wga.hu/art/v/veronese/10/7venus_m.jpg

http://www.oilpaintingshop.com/rembrandt/6.jpg

I'm obviously missing the point here - we have a photograph of a woman with a chain around her neck and a toy bone in her mouth. She has a nice body and nice nipples.

But in its own right it's neither something to wank off to, nor something that many would comfortably hang on their wall.

Both having a wank, and decorating one's wall, serve a useful purpose. But I'm sorry to say that in my humble opinion this achieves neither objective.

If Mary the fucking virgin Whitehouse didn't like it she regarded it as Porn and loads of stupid splitarses and up their own arses blokes agreed with her.
As far as I am concerned Porn and Art are subjective.
I regard scat, watersports, children and sado M to be porn and have nothing to do with it.
Give me Lara Latex strumping some lucky bastard and my knob will twitch uncontollably and will need to be stroked to calm down.
Now what the fuck is wrong with that?

There you are then. Art and Porn all come down to taste.