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maybe this is because many hardcore movies still lack something softcore movies can still offer - to me censorship has introduced a damaging polarity in how sex is depicted in film and the visual arts

I'm not talking about the cut down versions so much as the one's made specifically softcore (the one's you can see on channel 5 for example)

what works for softcore is:

they may have crap (as in strong mills and boon) stories but at least they have a story - and maybe that's something some people need (maybe more women but maybe even some men)

they focus far more on the seductive, sensual, playful, teasing and other erotic aspects - som, , , , , , , , A
they often have higher production values and even a bit of acting (wow)

and to me, like good jazz music, its often more what is left out and what you don't see that makes the scene erotic than what you do see - its not always a good thing that hardcore shows everything - i like to be able to use my imagination and fantasy still

to paraphrase Edison

sex is 10% perspiration
90% imagination

we're in for some interesting times ahead

when the impact of movies like Baise Moi is fully adsorbed my hope is we will see the beginnings of a serious thread of genuinely erotic movie making as an art form - and that it doesnt stay linked up with the violence and need deliberately to make the sex less "sexy" and preach morality to get it past the censors (which i think is how they got away with it in Baise Moi and Romance too) - where perhaps some of the eroticism of softcore is retained but where there is also less of the hypocracy and double standards in governing what is depicted

what I would like is erotic material that chooses what to show or not show based solely on erotic criteria - on what will titillate and excite the senses and the imagination - for men and women - but unlike softcore and hardcore the makers will finally have a "full pallete" to work with.

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some of that got cut out when I posted it - basically, if I remember rightly it was just saying that softcore movies also include an element of tenderness and human relationship that can me left out in hardcore - tht can also be a turn on

sorry about that and hope it doesn't seem like I'm being preachy, I think softcore and hardcore have things they can learn from each other and from mainstream cinema once these barriers (created by fear of sex and moralising hypocrites) break down

Excellent points...

Many assume that it is only women who like to see imaginatively staged and senusous sex as potryaed is much softcore. Well thats a big market as it is, but its us guys too sometimes. The Cameo collections often got close to this

Too much hardcore looks like a bad day at the butchers shop and as such is quite boring.

Not much more to add to that very good post

A producer can sell softcore to mainstream TV like Channel 5.

Emmanuelle has made millions and millions of dollars over the years....

One thing you missed out was good direction. Back to the seventies, I say, when both performers and direectors crossed back and forth between hard and soft and some of the directors acquired the skills to make hard core seductive and erotic. Of course you also need time and money to do this.

Emmanuelle was mentioned. Emmanuelle 2 was part directed by the late Francis Leroi who also directed Je suis ? prendre in the 70s and R?ves de cuir in the 90s, two of the best hardcore films ever made.

Alain Payet, one of the best hard core directors now operating, started his career in the 70s.

Thats it in a nutshell...Time & Money

Alas our society is trying to burn itself out before it has matured

If I had one last wish it would be for a decent British Cast(5/6 ladies) to do a classy erotic film in which Alain Payet(Marc Dorcel?) had a major say

I could pine for the past stars(Michelle Wright ,Claire Green) but reality says that it should include the likes of Wendy Taylor,Cathy Barry,Layla Jade,Karina Currie & Angel Long plus one gorgeous Euro....Julia Taylor-you can never have to many buxom redheads

Since I saw L'obsession de Laure I've been intrigued by his Alain Payets films

He treads the middle road in my view

Good locations,great casts,classy but not overly extreme-I have only seen 3 films so far

cheers
B....OZ

Alain Payet has directed films for Marc Dorcel and more recently has done some films distributed by Blue One, such as one starring Violet Storm - Les Campeuses de St Tropez.

From what you say it seems I have received some confusing info

I was told Alain Payet & Marc Dorcel were the same person?
Either that or I read it the wrong way...English ambiguous...never


Thanks for the title...you can never have enought violets

cheers
B....OZ

They are not the same person Marc is 6 foot 2 and Alan is 2 foot 6 and my great friend if somewhat ecentric,

Phil McC

...and the s/c market in the US is huge: it may be partly the 'sleaziness' associated with h/c porn that puts many 'average' guys off, but for me at least the idea that s/c generally tends to be more glamorous/erotic has some validity- maybe it's tied in with the fantasy element of masturbation- but then I'm not a psychologist.