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Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 5:55 pm
by George
Squin,
I'm glad to hear what you say, and if the lady you are referring to is whom I think she is, then I agree that she is very easy on the eye. Quite a spirited lass, too.
My comments concerning your taste are withdrawn, and I should like to thank the duty monitor for censoring my more inflamatory remarks.
George
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 6:08 pm
by Officer Dibble
Yo Mark,
As an adult entertainment producer, photographer, publisher and entrepreneur, never mind an ordinary consumer, I feel I have more right than most to comment on the quality or otherwise of any adult entertainment related goods and services offered to me. Rachel is selling her appearance and image - I buy appearances and images. Pray, why is it that you think I alone should not have the right to pick spots off goods and services offered when that right is guaranteed to every other UK business and consumer?
If you think that Rachel still looks great with her plastic boobies then fair enough, that's your call. Since it's a subjective judgment both our views are correct. I'm also sure folks will still book her and she won't starve. But honestly, I don't know of and guys who actively desire girls with plastic boobies and many consciously avoid material featuring them. This is not just personal bias and taste speaking - I deal with a lot of UK consumers of erotica and have done so for many years. I know what geezers like and what they dislike.
The penis extension remark was a bit childish, petulant, and uncalled for in a rational debate about gorgeous girls ruining themselves with boob jobs. It indicates that I've gotten into your head, touched a nerve, and rattled your cage. Feeling guilty about something Mark? Do you have designs on Rachel herself? Hey man, forget it. Her boyfriends a bodybuilding keep-fit fanatic. Built like the proverbial brick outhouse I?m led to believe. It aint worth it.
But going back to the knob extensions. I don't think they'll be a guy on here who would turn down an extra couple of inches - so if you know of a good clinic, please, do share it with us.
Dibble
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 6:12 pm
by Officer Dibble
Quite right George and very well put to.
Dibble
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 7:34 pm
by Squin
George and to a greater extent Orifice Dribble, your attitude to women in general quite frankly stinks.
The very fact that you see models first and foremost as a piece of meat and a commodity is appalling.
Neither of you deserve to ever be graced with a models presence ever again, to say you have the public right
to make downright rude remarks on a public posting board knowing damn well that the model is unlikely to see it
is in extraordinary poor taste.
"Cheap Idiotic LA Tart" hey, well if Rachel's partner is as big as you say I do hope he takes exception to your outburst.
Do I have designs on Rachel ? Honest answer nope, I am perfectly happy with the partner I have.
The very reason I jumped to her defence, is I respect women, and now it is plainly obvious you do not.
If one thing comes of this debate, I hope it opens the eyes of the unfortunates who deal with you, who are
going to be name called and publicly humiliated the second they do something that is not to your taste.
As Rachel's email address is generally available would not the manly thing to have done would be to send her
your septic comments personally???
You say "Why, why, why? I tell you, I'm rapidly loosing faith and interest in all this shit." Well do us all a favour
and retire and take you bigoted and chauvinistic ideals with you.
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 7:34 pm
by Officer Dibble
"But with the way this country is, i am not suprised by the comments made on here, as with everyone no matter what industry they are in people in this country love to take you to the top of your choosen proffesion and then slag you off till they bring you back down again."
The problems this industry faces right now are in part due to the attitudes of the new breed of adult entertainment producers and publishers - like you for instance. You don't seem to see a need for any profesional standards or constructive criticism. In previous eras if a model turned up at a shoot with any augmentation or enhancements other than a nice shade of lipstick she would have been sent packing. Hence models had to be profesional and pay due regard to their appearance and wardrobe - looking desirable and dressing sexily. Those models were respected and even idolised. Then something changed. Slightly less professionally minded models started to appear, maybe they had a small tat, cheap boob job, maybe they weren?t quite are reliable or committed and because there was a growing demand for cheap models, any models, producers and photographers stared to let things go, slip by. Especially the new breed of producer and photographer who hadn?t been brought up with the exacting standards of the previous generation. There didn't seem to be much point in worrying about models looking ropey. Punters had just discovered 'amateur' and 'gonzo' and were purchasing anything. That bandwagon gained momentum till even ill educated, undernourished, single mum 'Shazza' with her lank hair and self inflicted tattoos could call herself a model. Didn?t seem to matter that she hadn't got a clue about make-up or clothes. Didn't seem to matter that the only alluring lingerie she possessed was an unmatching bra and knicker set from the local Netto bargain store. Didn?t matter to her, because it didn?t matter to the photographers and producers who were hiring her. But it sure as shit matters to the punters now that the novelty of amateur and gonzo and has waxed and waned.
You (Mark) seem to be in a quandary. It seems you, like virtually ever geezer I know, don't really like boob jobs. But on the other hand you seem unable to confront the reality of telling a model that her boob job, tat piercing, or whatever looks shit and that although it not a problem on Civi St, it's totality inappropriate for a profesional model, as is her usually scant knowledge of hair and makeup, not to mention her sparse or non existent lingerie collection. So, why the reticence? Photographers never felt the slightest bit queasy about telling models a few home truths in days of yore. It's a mega cop out to say, "Well, it's her decision." It's only by criticism that standards can be maintained, otherwise anything goes, nobody cares and nobody gives a shit. Why should the punters care about purchasing adult entertainment goods and services if you don't care and the models don't care?
Dibble.
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 7:54 pm
by Richard B
Cool it Squin.
Each to their own - I disagree with your analysis, I don't see any sign of the attitudes you describe, but I take your point about it being Rachel's decision.
Whether it pays off, who knows? Let's face it, Layla Jade's boob-job probably ranks as the best I've seen yet - if Rachel's works as well, then great.
Rachel is a fabulous girl. There's been talk about a b/g with her partner - I hope it comes off.
Personally I prefer natural - but Layla Jade is the exception to prove my rule (and I hope Rachel will be the second.)
But, generally, ladies, if you want people like me to buy your videos, we love you just as you are.
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 8:08 pm
by Cornish Chris
Dibble I am sick of this, you seem to hark on about standards.
I have standards and I know Mark has standards, and I also know he is a gentleman. As a gentleman I am sure both him and myself also realise that models are people flesh & blood, with hearts and feelings.
Even Tracey with the tattoos and lank hair that you so eliquently discribe deserves repect.
I suggest if you have personal comments about a person "LA Tart" etc that you address them to the person directly , to me that would be the genlemanly thing to do.
The difference between us I fear is that we are modern thinking caring people, were as you seem to be stuck in an era were men treated women like something that was stuck to the bottom of their shoes.
I know what camp I would rather be in, even if your train of thoughts is proffessionally correct.
CC.
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 8:12 pm
by crofter
firstly, what a nice discussion folks, secondly, can I ust say to officer dibble what bollocks mate, what gives you the casting vote on all things british past and present, do you mean to say you could not shoot 5 minutes of rachel travers and pass her off as your latest leading lady, starring in your latest blockbusting batch of ?seen? anciet archive material, if you shot/bought original material maybe you could be in a position to comment, until then. shut the fuck up....
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 8:26 pm
by Squin
well thank you there are a few real gentlemen in this forum thanks to CC and Crofter
Re: Rachel Travers Set and a ?
Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 8:52 pm
by Officer Dibble
Oh there, there, Mark, don't take on so. I know it must be an uncomfortable experience being on the wrong end of Officer Dibble's logic and wit, but you should have known better. You've surely seen what's befallen others who?ve crossed keyboards with me.
It's fascinating to see that realising you may be on a sticky wicket and possibly bitten off more than you can chew you looked round to find something to save face, to use against me, get the crowd behind you. "I know, I'll use the old misogynistic, bigoted, chauvinistic, disrespect for ?wimin? gambit. Always goes down well on the bgafd." But that's so pass?' nowadays Mark. Couldn't you be a bit more original?
But to tackle that point for the umpteenth time, all I?ll say is that I respect everyone - man, woman, child, Jehovah?s Witnesses, and hey, even some 'Guardian' readers. But only those I feel are deserving of respect. Though I regret this does not include every human soul on the planet. I even respect Rachel, boob job or not. And it was because I had such a high opinion of her that my comments were somewhat emotional. If I didn't care about her or thought she was of no adult entertainment consequence I wouldn't even have commented or bothered to read the thread. Who knows, maybe in time I'll relent, and come round to the idea that it's (her boob job) not as horrid as it first seemed? Never say never.
So, chill out Mark man. I don't set out to fall out with anyone. I just say what I think and say what I feel on the bgafd (one of the few places that affords me that luxury) and I pay little regard to whether I may be upturning anyone's apple cart or not. But those thoughts are the real, raw, uncensored, usually well-considered and objective thoughts of Officer Dibble, devoid of the platitudinous bullshit that we are all guilty of inflicting on each other every day. Hey, it's pure stuff. It?s good stuff. It?s simply not available in many lesser establishments.
Dibble