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Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 9:34 pm
by Angel Long
Thanks for all your support.

I have just recieved an email from one of the main girls that is doing one of these sites, basically saying that I'd be surprised at what some people get up to in the biz. Swinging, escorting, shagging while out drinking all the usual shit and that I should be more worried about what there doing behind closed doors than wot so many girls are doing now having 30 blokes cuming on their face!!!! Say you do one party a month 20 guys turn up to each. that makes 240 cum shots a year!!! of untested guys!!!!!

Basically when you turn up for a shoot and you see the other persons test, you just have to hope they ain't be shagging some one with out a condom, it's a fucking trust thing. How is taking 240 cumshots in your face and mouth and eyes. all of them are untested blokes that just fancied to cum on a so called pornostar!! Most of them blokes proberly never ever had an HIV test.

So yea I agree there's always a chance that a video model i work with hasn't always used a condom which is bad I admit, but I'd much rather my chances of not catching anything from him than have 240 cumshots in one year of untested men!!

But maybe that's because I don't wanna die off aids or anything else and money ain't every thing.

I really don't wanna leave the biz because I fucking love what I do and don't wanna do any thing else. I'm gonna be perfectly honest I can not believe so many girls are doing these sort of sites knowing no guys got a test and then having the cheak to work with all us other models who think a test is wot you need to work.

Why is it we show HIV test to each other, fuck it lets all just fuck don't worry about your tests and just shag any one that fancys doing a porno. Can you all ways tell by looking at some one they have HIV, or aids??? Please tell me how??

I put myself at risk and I understand that I am reasponsible for my actions, so god help me i would catch and thing, but I chose to be their. I don't need other people making that decison for me, that's just selfish!!!

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 9:34 pm
by Phil McC
I only want to say, most of the bukkate and gang bang parties I have seen have been all condom affairs, I am sure their will be people who don't but it would seem pointless not go with a Test or Condom. One thing I would like to say is pornography is about breaking rules you know like the sweet little innocent housewife who turn into a tramp and fucks everyone in the street while her husband watches. This is what people want to believe. You walk past a girl sitting in the pub she opens her legs you see her pussy,,,Did she do it on purpose etc etc,, this is what pornography is built on peoples fantasy's...Surely we can work with a bit of common sence. I remmeber the outbreak of HIV in USA very well and what surprized me out of everyone whose name was in the frame and it was loads only two contracted it unless I was wrongly advised and it came originally from a South American knocking shop. I think the basics in porn make it more difficult to transmit ie we never come inside. this is the most likley way to transmit or catch it as it is trafer of fluid. Where I think a lot of this comes from is the models demanding an HIV from an actor but shagging their boyfriends who have not, who know what they have been doing. And I don't want a load of shit about this as I get my tests regular but do all the other producers/photographers/model agents I know loads do but do they all. As for all the other stuff I think there is more chance getting an STD in a nightclub than porn, but the only sure fire way to prevent it is wank only.
Finally I heard HIV was not on the incline but other STD's were in some areas at epidemic scales. Angel be concerned and do everything you can to take precautions even go as far as working with a condom only if it makes you feel better, but don't loose you enthusiasm for the basics of the industry.

Phil McC

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 9:47 pm
by vila
I'm a bit confused here - could someone educate me, please?

I was under the impression that bukkake was all about a room full of blokes wanking over a girl's face.

Where's the HIV danger in that?


Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:02 pm
by Angel Long
Dear McC,


Well where can I start, I have tonight phoned up one gentleman who orangises gB and bukkake asked whether my husband whould have to wear a comdom for the bukkae, his answer was it's completely up to him!!! so I made out that some one told me that some times the guys get an HIV test was this right for what he shoots. His Answer " OH NO, NOT AT ALL, NO TEST NEADED YOU ONLY NEED THAT WHEN YOU DO PROFESSIONAL VIDEOS AS THEY RIDE BARE BACK!!!" These were his exact words,

So I had a thought and decied to phone this girl who has now emailed me and asked her Guess wot, It's to differcult to shoot bukkake with condoms so we don't bother." Hey lets just wait for the cum...madness.

If a girl gets cum in her eye it goes red. This is the blood vessels cum to the surface of the eye ball. This is a pretty quick way of getting to the blood vessels don't you think!! Better just hope he doesn't have any nasty shit!!

I'm really am hoping all you models out there that you really know the complete risks of the shoots you are doing. All I say is each to there own if you wanna do it, then do it, just don't be ignerant of us video or stills models that need tests to feel happy about the shoot and job in general

Just wanted to say that the two people i spoke to work for seperate websites!!


A question for you Mr McC you say you don't have atest o.k. How about if it was violet doing the bukkake would you still feel the same about as you do now and be quite happy for her to do it? I sure as hell know my husband wouldn't be!!!!

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:06 pm
by Cornish Chris
Angel you are not alone with these thoughts.

Karina Currie made similar comments but unfotunatly it was in the O/T forum.



I applaud you for bringing this issue up once again.

CC.

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:07 pm
by Not A Doctor, but...
The danger is in the possibilty / likelyhood of the semen entering her eyes.
For some reason or another, (and I belive its because of the huge concentration of the bloodvessles) its the easiest point of entry for the virus to the body, more so than the vagina or anal cannel

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:08 pm
by Angel Long
Vila,

You cum in the girls face she eates it or it goes in her eyes, Would you be a bit worried if you girl friend took 30 guys cum in her face if you weren't for sure every single person was safe!! It only takes one guy that infected and bobs your uncle that girl might have the chance that in 3 months her HIV test is positive! Why take the chance over a few pennys, it might be their life!!

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:13 pm
by magoo
If the spunk goes in her eye she could catch HIV very easily. Theres more chance of the virus getting into her body through her eye than through her vagina. We were all educated that anal sex was more risky than vaginal sex for a woman but there is no education on the risks of spunking on a girls face because its something that only happens in porn mainly. Facials are not a part of most peoples sex lives but are common in porn purely for visual effect.

Angel. Its easy for people to say to you that its not a problem because they are not the ones at risk. Trust your instincts and follow them because all the people who are telling you your safe will be nowhere to be seen if the worst did happen.

I suppose you could take a stand and say you are only doing condom work with no facials like some American girls do. But the British industry is famous for refusing to employ girls who insist on condoms. Theres no easy answer to your dilemma. If the industry cared about the performers they could all agree that the girls who do untested bukkake dont get any work or at very least have to use condoms. That would seem fairer than for sensible people like yourself being forced to leave the industry due to the shoddy practises of others. At the end of the day your being forced out of your job due to other peoples actions which wouldnt be tolerated in any other industry.

Its no wonder the british porn industry is still viewed as a "cowboy mickey mouse outfit" by the yanks.

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:15 pm
by Angel Long
Hand out to the man that calls himself. Not a doctor, but... Thank you ever so much for post I did think this was true about the eyes but just wasn't 100% sure.

I hope you all close your eyes when you take all that cum, cos you wanna be praying.

Re: Dililema

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2003 10:19 pm
by When??
Mostly sense........so I can even forgive those multiple mis-spellings,.........