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Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:50 am
by Holden MacGroyn
Mart, if you go through the search function, I have only ever once told of what I did in a real life situation when a chav broke into my house.
Just the once.
Any other time and I'm fucking about or just being obnoxious.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that people get fucked off to the point of chinning a chav?

Say for example, you have a wife & kids, or elderly parents/grandparents in your house and some slag breaks in, possibly armed, but you don't know that so you have to assume the worst. What would you do?
Now given the fact that you are chastising us for our approach, what would you do?
Pull the covers over your head?
Let them know the combination to the safe sock draw?
Make them a cup of tea?
Or put your faith in the good old boys in blue?

In the really real world, I'd like to think I am a rational, balanced, fair human being.
I have spent my life absorbed in martial arts; both teaching & training.
I am calm at the best of times and cynical at the worst.
I know the full implications of beating the shit out of someone.
HOWEVER, if some broke into my house, as they once did, I would and have, beaten the shit out of them without a second thought.

My family are my priority and like the aminals that we are, I protect my family.
I'm sick of the criminal element being allowed to do as they please and get away with it.

What do you suggest? Lock them up for ever? - Great deterant on the taxpayers money.
Slap their wrist. - Piss over the legal view.
Give them another chance. - To go through steps 1 & 2 again?


You've spoken a lot of handwringing cack, so now please, advise us.

"I thump chavs"...yeah , yeah.
Yeah, Yeah???
You doubt us?


Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:15 am
by woodgnome
Officer Dibble wrote:

> "This sort of reminds me of a Scottish guy who was shot whilst
> on holiday in the States a few years back, he was driving with
> his girlfriend and ended up lost and decided to knock
> somebody?s house door and ask for directions, the occupant
> opened the door and promptly shot the poor guy stone dead,"
>
> Which sounds like an urban myth in itself? ?Yes, I have heard
> this tale before as well.

most certainly not an urban myth. it was covered extensively in the media at the time:

this is an accurate account, as i recall it.

Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:18 am
by mart
What I read here is a combination of Nazi type attitudes, deriding/demeaning an implied sub-class of society and a lot of macho posturing. You seem to be looking for the opportunity to "chin a chav". What a sad comment on your personality problems.
This is the last time I'll ever respond to your despicable boastings Dibble.

As for you Holden, what do you suggest to someone who isn't a martial arts expert.

Mart


Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:37 am
by Holden MacGroyn
Actually Mart, you've missed my point.
I'm not hitting a "sub-class" but more the demographic that breaks into houses.
It just happened to be a Chav that broke into my house.
Chav shouldn't be worn as a badge or chanted like a socially deranged mantra.
A Chav is simply a term used for certain people.
Any highbrow socialite that looks, talks, acts & dresses the part, is in fact...a Chav.

I think you're telling us more about your opinion than we are ours.

You are assuming every Chav watches Trisha and lives on a council estate?
No, that would be a lazy arse workshy trailer trash.
Don't assume that every council person is a Chav and don't assume every Chav is a dimwitted member of society.

If the cap fits - wear it, as long as it's Burberry.

So tell me where I'm a Nazi on this one please.
I have bent over backwards to be anti Nazi, to the point where somebody will try and fuck me up the arse with the comment Nazi.

As for people that haven't studied Martial Arts?
Dunno and don't care. Not my problem and I didn't come here to preach what every person in a similar situation should do.
Then I'd get called a tyrant & dictator.
I can only speak for my own actions and justify them.

If you however, genuinely want some advice on defence, the truth is that 6 easy lessons in Tae Kwon Do will not save your arse.
I'm trained since I was 5 and I still get nervous as shit.
I'd suggest if you really wanted to gain that confident advantage, enrol into a style that suits your body. Train your mind at the same time.
Eat & drink healthy.
Work out at your chosen art.
This bullshit of once a week for an hour for 3 years = black belt is pure shit.

In Korea, you only have two belts; white & black. When your coach thinks you are ready, you get the chance to go for black. This could take ten years but equal pure perfection.

Test yourself.
Pad up and get into a ring with a training partner and see what works.
All this will give you an instant edge.
In a real life situation, you have adrenalin to deal with.
Deal with it right and you win.
Deal with it wrong and confuse it for fear and lose.

In a class, your ability is 100%
In a competition, your ability is 50%
In a real situation, your ability is 4%
Learn to maximise that 4% as it may be the only thing that saves you from a chav in your house.
Remember folks, you're never too old to start.
Anyone wanting private lessons - you know what to do!

If however, you was being facetious about Martial Arts, then bollocks.


Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:46 am
by Holden MacGroyn
Failing all that.

Buy a gun.
A big fat fuck off 357.


Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:59 am
by Officer Dibble
Yes, I do vaguely recall this story, but on first hearing it does sound like a classic urban legend.


Officer Dibble

Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:31 am
by Officer Dibble
"You seem to be looking for the opportunity to "chin a chav"

I've had plenty of opportunities to chin chavs, and, on occasion, I have taken them.


"What a sad comment on your personality problems."

Problems? What problems? I'm as cool, rational and objective as they come - unlike your good self who turns into a mean-minded petulant child when anyone has the effrontery to highlight the contradictions, paradoxes, and inconsistencies in the naff Marxist, Trotskyist, Leninist and Keir Hardiest, philosophies you have adopted.


?This is the last time I'll ever respond to your despicable boastings Dibble.?

Oh, all right, suit yerself then.


Dibble

Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:08 pm
by diplodocus
similar thing happened to a mate of mine, walking home from work in city centre Leeds, suited up when some nutter ran over and smacked him on the head with an asp, so hard it broke. My mate went down, got up and gave the guy a few lamps to the head. The police were soon on the scene and even though everything was on cctv they both got nicked (the nutter was also carrying a knife and so off his head he had to be gassed)

My mate ended up with community service and a criminal record because of the excessive force used, fuck that if someone had twatted me with a weapon i'd keep hitting until I was sure they weren't able to hit me again


Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:11 pm
by Holden MacGroyn
Then I guess you belong in our little Nazi club as well!


Re: Protecting Your Property

Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:45 pm
by Cerberus
Similar thing happened to me a few years ago.
I'd just got some cash from a cashpoint machine when 3 youths tried to mug me. I defended myself vigourously & ended up in court for my trouble.The nice coppers who stood nearby watching it all waited for it to end then came over & arrested everyone.
End result,
The bastards who mugged me (apparently had knives, according to the coppers) got off with cautions due to the injuries they sustained! Apparently I broke one little darlings elbow backwards, fractured anothers wrist,cheekbone & nose, fractured the last ones skull by throwing him onto his head. Me being bound over (luckily according to the beak!)
I just love the British justice system.