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Frankly, I don't care whether Barras was leaving or not. He was a malevolent Pikey scumbag, a career criminal who would have gone on to perpetrate many more offenses - and maybe of a greater magnitude. Britain is a marginally nicer place without him. In my view Tony Martin is a fucking hero and we should celebrate his actions - while at the same time poking those who sneer at him in the eye. For it is they who are ultimately responsible for today's low-life scumbags feeling that they can get away with it. For scumbags feeling disinhibited from being scummy because of the general apathy and lack of contempt for them in today's touchy feely, minority respecting, equally valuing, society.




Officer Dibble

"Tony Martin is not a hero"

But he is a hero to me and many other ostensibly decent folks who would never dream of breaking into someone else?s home and robbing them in the dead of night.



Officer Dibble

Alice, you continue to use phrases such as "who are trying to exit your propery not attacking you" which shows that you do not really grasp the situation. Barras and Fearon were not trying to exit the property before Martin shot them, and you do not have to wait for an intruder to attack you before acting in self-defence. Self-defence can in that sense quite legally be a pre-emptive strike. Barras and Fearon had commenced an assault on Martin when they broke into his home at dead of night, and everything which followed flowed from that fact. I quite agree that if Martin had kept on shooting at them as they escaped from his property he would have gone too far, but the fact is he fired three shots at them, when they were actually in his house, and no more.

A couple of years ago a TV programme looked into self-defence. It had expert guidance from Anthony Scrivener QC and an assistant chief constable. They were shown various scenarios, and asked if they were legitimate self-defence. In one scenario, a householder came downstairs in the middle of the night to find a burglar in the house. The householder crept up behind the burglar, and without warning him, stabbed him in the back. Both the experts agreed that that was self-defence! They agreed that if someone breaks into your house at dead of night you do not have to give them the benefit of the doubt, issue challenges or anything like that, you are entitled to use as much force as is necessary to protect yourself. You tell me how that scenario differs in any meaningful way from the Tony Martin case.