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[Sam Slater]

Come now Wazza, are we blindly migrating towards Schr?dinger's cat again?

As a history teacher, how -right there and then, in class- can you prove anything regarding the Roman Empire, Peasant's Revolt, or there was such a thing as concentration camps during 30's Germany?

Descartes' theory of firstly doubting everything is very clever, and thought provoking, but is useless to everyday life.

Nothing outside your own existence can be proved, and even that can only be proven to you and no one else, but we can live our lives by certain beliefs which we regard as factual, otherwise there'd be no point in living.

I don't think the lady in question was trying to be deeply philosophical, nor had Schr?dinger/Descartes at the forefront of her consciousness when she expressed her doubt of the worlds sphericity.

I believe that her faith made her ignorant and that she would have been less doubtful if the Bible had stated the world as being round.

Doubting can show both clever thought, and stupidity in equal measure - use your doubts wisely! !laugh!

[Sam Slater]

Mr Wazzakins...

I'm a little taken aback by your thinking, for aren't you in a career that's centred around teaching facts (or common beliefs if you prefer)? Would you then mark a pupils essay on Egyptian pyramids differently if they stated these pyramids were erected in New Zealand, rather than Egypt? How would a teacher of history -or an examiner- navigate such an occurrence?

[quote]Sounds like you mean that if some who you disagree with is a doubter then they are stupid... Surely biased there, Prof. Sammikeinstein?[/quote]

Stupid? Well that depends on what their reasoning for doubting is doesn't it? Like I said, 'doubting can show both cleverness as well as stupidity', and I also added on 'in equal measure' which was actually pretty kind of me, since doubting common, and reinforced belief leans further from clever thinking than the opposite, in general. It's just that the doubting 'clever thinker' who comes round every hundred years or so are the ones we remember most. I see no bias in my thinking at all, and if there is bias, it is only the same bias as you marking a pupils essay lower because he/she states the location of Egyptian pyramids is different than what you taught him.

Surely then, you're not marking his/her work on facts, or encouraging original thinking, but on how well he/she recites accepted facts, and common beliefs. The marking is biased.

Reverting back to the original clip; the 'doubting thomas' also stated that she didn't believe in evolution, but thought God made the world. This thinking from her makes your accusation of me being bias rather laughable, surely?! At least when I insinuated that she was a little dumb, it was from logical thinking and education, while her probable assumption of my line of thought being wrong is based on nothing but a blind faith.

You have me wrong Wazza. Some doubts I can disagree with, but still respect that persons logic as to why they reached the conclusions they express. The woman in question is a different matter.

[Sam Slater]

[quote]If a student could provide satisfactory evidence for why they thought the pyramids were in New Zealand,....[/quote]

But how could they in a classroom/tv studio/anywhere but the exact location of said pyramids? Your reasoning within this discussion means that while your pupil may not be able to prove the pyramids are in New Zealand, you cannot prove that they're infact in Egypt either, so in a fair world, you'd have to give the doubter the same marks as the conformists to accepted teachings! Bias, bias, bias! !laugh!

[quote]You see, I am not interested in that clip. I am only interested in your willingness to accept that they are wrong because they are zealots, and you inability to prove they are wrong without recourse to other people's work[/quote]

See above also. Me, you, she, him, whoever, cannot disprove/prove much over an internet connection/classroom/studio.

My belief is built upon other peoples study and evidence, just like yours. My willingness to believe the said people are wrong isn't built on their zealotry, but my past education, which thankfully, has been proven and varified by unbiased study, over, and over, and over again.

My belief that the Earth is round could be proven with a lot of time and a boat. This 'proof' which countless, unbiased, others have shown seems to have being ignored by the lady.

Alas, I have stuck my neck out and made my opinion known. What are your thoughts on the woman in question, and her 'doubts'? !wink!

[Deuce Bigolo]

People who post links to youtubes links are.......?

[Deuce Bigolo]

Except the earth is flat,all be it on the surface,in parts

Maybe a few pictures from outer space would open her brain to the possibilities but then again being daytime drivel I'd expect sh'e just trying to get down to her audiences IQ level

[Deuce Bigolo]

Another quick nap I see