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Good points, well made.

The Chinese and Hindus don't see the west as the enemy though. Also, their booming economies can only mean better education whereby freedom of expression, and equal rights usually follow quite quickly.

Educated, and employed women usually mean a lower birth rate - something these particular nation wold welcome.

As well as ourselves, Islam isn't exactly on friendly terms with Hindus or secularism either. Hell, they don't even like themselves that much, and lets remember what Orwell said about negative nationalism: 'It is a sort of masochism born from sexual frustration.'

Now that makes sense, not only about the Muslim world hating itself, but also a lot on here who hate their own culture and fellow countrymen more than any other. They're expressing their views on a porn forum as well.

Masochism and sexual frustration just FITS!

Sam Slater wrote:

> Good points, well made.
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> The Chinese and Hindus don't see the west as the enemy though.

What makes you think Muslims do? Having visited a few Muslim countries, I've never noticed anti-Westernism is rampant. Sure, among minority nutters, but most people are friendly as anything - even to a commie Jew like myself.

[quote]Sam seriously what are you on about not all muslims are like that ..[/quote]

Thankfully, I know. I never said they were, but it's no thanks to the Quran and Hidith's teachings is it? Don't take what I say to mean 'every Muslim' because that's just silly. Lets just say a Muslim girl would be at a greater risk -because of cultural and religious traditions- from harm than and girl of Christian, Jew or secularist parents if they were found to be doing porn.....or choosing their own partner....or dressing provocatively. Some traditions and cultures have accepted change better than others and you cannot deny that surely?

[quote]Its about respecting each othes culture yeps theres alot thats not right it swings both ways.[/quote]

Cool! I can travel to Dubai, Mecca, Bagdad, Tehran, Isamabad, with my girlfriend in a nice denim skirt and sexy low cut top, taking in the sites and culture like Muslim girls can walk the streets in Europe wearing hijab or burkka? Can my girl and me go enjoy the cricket in the sun in Lahore or Karachi with my girl wearing a bikini top and hotpants? I mean you did say it swung both ways -this respecting of cultures- right? (just checked - yep, you did!)

[quote]You - not personally - created Osama Bin laden so dont make me out like im patronising you infact its quite the other way.[/quote]

Eh? Patronising you? I specifically avoided that in a previous thread. You seem to misunderstand what it means to patronise. Saying we created Osama and that we're to blame IS patronising Muslims. I don't know where you're coming from on that point at all.

[quote]Who fucking armed the Afghans who armed the iraqis - the peasents didnt trade sandbags for scuds did they. [/quote]

Agreed. We armed them, but we didn't create them as you say. We armed them for political reasons. We wanted a strong middle east to keep the old Soviet Union claiming the middle east and it's oil. The Saudi's are rich, and free because of us when the could have been swallowed up under communism like eastern Europe was. There'd have been no riches and freedom for the Iraqi's and Saudi's then my friend.

If you're having trouble with a problematic neighbour and I lend you my baseball bat to protect yourself, I do not expect you to come round 3 months later and smash me over the head with it. I gave you the bat, so it's my fault I have a cracked skull eh? Daft logic.

Denounce your religion, and find yourself funkichadi....

That dusty old book you refer to is the Bible obviously, and is a load of bollocks as far as I'm concerned.

As for Palestine.......I've covered that before. Palestinians are a Greek/Arab mix who's original land is rightly the Gaza strip, and the old Gaza strip was much bigger and half of it has been clamied by Egypt. It's funny how the Palastinians don't seem to mind it when Egypt claims their land, but if the Jews do, there's a problem. The West bank has been fought over and passed between Muslims, Christians and Jews alike. I don't know why the Arabs are so bothered tbh. The Jews have never had a nation to call their own, and the Arabs hate every square inch they aquire for some dumb reason which can only be antisemitism.

There's a lot of shit on all sides in Jeruselam and neither side is fully in the right, nor wrong either. Without religion, what would there be to fight about in that region?